has anyone use a trading psychologist?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by 1a2b3cppp, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Trader Psychologist or Psycho Therapist do not teach trading.

    If someone is teaching you how to trade...they are called a trading coach which is a different profession but people often get the two (trading psychologist / trading coach) confused with each other.

    An an example, in college I had a "rowing coach". In addition, I (the team) had a "sports psychologist" that worked with the crew team, soccer players, volleyball players and other sports.

    Another way to explain it, you'll see a psychologist in the office or talk on the telephone. In contrast, a coach should be there with you from trade to trade. It's not coaching if the person is not there to monitor your progress in real-time regardless if you're on a simulator or real money trading.

    Some firms have in-house trader psychologist and other firms are contracted to send their employees to see a psychologist when the firm believes there's are issues impacting the trader's performance.

    In contrast, if someone is teaching someone how to trade / how to analyze the markets at the firm...most likely its by another employee or senior employee that's trading the same markets and/or similar (correlated) markets.

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    #41     Oct 30, 2020
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  2. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    There's definitely a benefit to many re getting help from coaching in both mindset and trading skills. Both are important.
     
    #42     Oct 30, 2020
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  3. That is exactly my case: I can read very well PA and "my" Technical Analyze good enough to help others making lots of money most every day on our chat room. They say I am the best... But when "I pull" the trigger I panic. Seems that my EGO is happy just showing what I know. So I used a ET coach, who has helped me recognized and get to know how to deal with lots of issues on my grown up/whole life. I still, not where I want to be, but she gave me lots of confidence to know what I know, and know what I don't know..
    Conclusion: Respecting all the others input, to me, it is a good instrument to use a coach.
     
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    #43     Nov 1, 2020
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  4. orbit23

    orbit23

    Paul Tudor Jones(one of the wealthiest traders) allegedly pays Tony Robbins 1m$ annually + performance fees for his coaching. Not for motivation, but to keep him in the proper mental state and make sure he is evolving with the markets.

     
    #44     Nov 14, 2020
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  5. Even as a systematic trader, you are going to provide some human input. Things like turning off strategies, scaling alphas up or down, deciding that some result is or isn't an artifact can be very emotional decisions (and frequently becomes such when money or career are involved).

    Then there is a natural question about the alpha, is it still there? For example, daily results for a strategy with a Sharpe of 2 are almost indistinguishable from noise. It gets worse if such a strategy first goes on a hot streak and then draws down or goes cold for a few months.

    However, in my experience, many people who care about the psychological implications should focus more on developing alphas. On the other hand, many seasoned traders could benefit from seeing a psychologist.
     
    #45     Nov 14, 2020
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  6. JSOP

    JSOP

    That's not systematic trading then. The systematic trading that I am talking about involves zero human input or near-zero input, just letting the machine do all the work when you decide to use the machine, that is. Machine trading is lot more efficient I find. If you find there is still something that needs tweaking, still let the machine do its work but then tweak it after when not trading.
     
    #46     Nov 14, 2020
  7. This doesn't surprise me at all. The strongest are smart enough to ask for help.
     
    #47     Nov 14, 2020
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  8. Even if you do all of your development in an “off line” mode (like I do), the decisions you make have a lot of emotional implications.
     
    #48     Nov 14, 2020
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  9. socool

    socool

    I haven't used one so far.
    I guess experience is the best teacher here in forex.
     
    #49     Dec 5, 2020
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Yes, experience is certainly a great way to learn, this seal here wanted to be a pilot whale and was looking for some flying experience.
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    #50     Dec 5, 2020
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