Happy Birthday Marijuana Prohibition!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Crispy, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. pspr

    pspr

    Not one???

    Ben Masel is a prominent pot smoker and pot activist who lives in Madison, WI. I have had some debates through newspapers and blogs about pot smoker.

    Well, Masel died today of lung cancer. I am sorry that he died, but the fact that he died of lung cancer kind of says that maybe pot smoker.
    From the Wisconsin State Journal: Ben Masel, prominent marijuana activist and professional rabble rouser, died Saturday from complications due to lung cancer. He was 56.


    http://lasvegasbadger.blogspot.com/2011/04/prominent-pot-smoker-dies-of-lung.html
     
    #21     Oct 3, 2012
  2. Crispy

    Crispy

    "Prove to me that simply ingesting cannabis has brought about death."

    Smoking is not ingesting. And that blog is kinda sketchy with misspellings and such. You can do better. :) Find me some good ol fashioned US govt propaganda will you.
     
    #22     Oct 3, 2012
  3. pspr

    pspr

    The blog is referring to a newspaper report. Look up the guy yourself if you have doubts. You do know how to use google, don't you.

    Ingesting???? People smoke pot. Besides, smoking is included in ingesting. And, since it IS ILLEGAL studies are limited.

    in·gest (n-jst)
    tr.v. in·gest·ed, in·gest·ing, in·gests
    1. To take into the body by the mouth for digestion or absorption. See Synonyms at eat.
    2. To take in and absorb as food: "Marine ciliates ... can be observed ... ingesting other single-celled
     
    #23     Oct 3, 2012
  4. Crispy

    Crispy

    Ingesting is not smoking. Ingestion does not lead to the lungs. Smoking does.

    Ingestion is the consumption of a substance by an organism. In animals, it normally is accomplished by taking in the substance through the mouth into the gastrointestinal tract(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_gastrointestinal_tract), such as through eating or drinking.

    It being illegal in the United States since 1937 does not rule out several thousand years of history. Not a man or woman in history has ever died from cannabis ingestion.

    In fact the only thing dangerous about Cannabis is the illegality of it.
     
    #24     Oct 3, 2012
  5. Crispy

    Crispy

    US govt report

    In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

    The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

    Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).
     
    #25     Oct 3, 2012
  6. Crispy

    Crispy

    Acute Effects of Marihuana, from Marihuana, A Signal of Misunderstanding - Table of Contents

    4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
    effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in
    the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented
    cannabis-induced fatality.
    5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on
    marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana
    is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.
    Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans
    routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of
    direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and
    the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no
    credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a
    single death.

    6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter
    medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

    7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called
    an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of
    test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced
    toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine
    marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply
    stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to
    induce death.

    8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
    1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce
    death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
    much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied
    marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would
    theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within
    about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

    9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal
    response as a result of drug-related toxicity.
    10. Another common medical way to determine drug safety is
    called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between
    a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing
    adverse effects.

    11. A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a
    therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose
    for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a
    lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross
    injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

    12. The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly
    around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may
    cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the
    recommended (therapeutic) dose.

    13. There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have much
    lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to treat patients with
    cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis are highly toxic. The
    therapeutic ratio of some of the drugs used in antineoplastic therapies,
    for example, are regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic
    ratios that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low LD-50
    ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal reactions, while being
    properly employed.

    14. By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50,
    is impossible to quantify because it is so high.

    15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
    foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
    result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
    to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

    16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
    therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
    marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.
     
    #26     Oct 3, 2012
  7. Nobody should care about pot. No big deal. I just don't see why anyone would care about what you do in your own home.
     
    #27     Oct 3, 2012
  8. Crispy

    Crispy

    http://www.alternet.org/drugs/media...-helps-prevent-lung-cancer-now-its-med-school
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    Tashkin's team interviewed 1,212 cancer patients from the Los Angeles County Cancer Surveillance program, matched for age, gender, and neighborhood with 1,040 cancer-free controls. Marijuana use was measured in "joint years" (number of years smoked times number of joints per day). It turned out that increased marijuana use did not result in higher rates of lung and pharyngeal cancer (whereas tobacco smokers were at greater risk the more they smoked). Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.
     
    #28     Oct 26, 2012