Half kelly on whole vs full kelly on part of capital

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by bln, Mar 16, 2024.

  1. Obviously, the problem with discrete full kelly is you could think you have an edge at the black jack table from your card counting when in reality you are playing a negative EV game of craps.

    Even more importantly though is I show continuous full kelly on QQQ buy and hold going back a year is 200%.
    NVDA is 355% . DIA 175%.

    I missed getting filled on a NVDA buy and hold in October and I show that trade at 720% full continuous kelly right now.
     
    #11     Mar 23, 2024
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    I am not a statistics or math or financial expert, but I thought you only apply Kelly after you have collected enough statistics on your expectancy and you apply Kelly with those expectancy?
     
    #12     Mar 30, 2024
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  3. %%
    Good points , good %.
    THAT may also explain why there are so few daytrading millionaires;
    even though i'm sure Bright Daytrading Co had 1or2, but cant prove that.
    [20% on one stock would be considered super agressive;
    20% in ones business would seem to be way to tame/would be too tame for me, business. ].
    20% down RE maybe fine ; 100% cash RE buy =fine + cant get forclosed]
     
    #13     Apr 2, 2024
  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    I get your other points. Can you elaborate on this?

    Thanks.
     
    #14     Apr 2, 2024
  5. Businessman

    Businessman

    2% risk is considered the high end of sensible amount to risk.
    Lets say fully kelly works out at 12%.
    So you need 6x the margin to do full kelly (compared to the margin needed for 2%).
    If you have multiple positions there is good chance you use up all your buying power before you can reach fully kelly on all of them.

    Intra day trading where you can buy 200 emini lots with a 100K account means you can put on full kelly size more easily.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2024
    #15     Apr 2, 2024
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  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you.
     
    #16     Apr 3, 2024
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  7. %%
    Good points;
    auto liquidation or auto repo would give me some real hints about \gambling or using too much risk. At the end of the day, end of the week its your business........................................:D:D
     
    #17     Apr 3, 2024