Guy says when I place a trade, someone else goes short that position, is this true?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Newmoney24, May 14, 2013.

  1. timcar

    timcar

    it has been a rough two days if your long aapl down 25 points ouch
     
    #11     May 15, 2013
  2. Redneck

    Redneck


    It may or may not be true….. but whether it is..., or isn't – is not germane


    Once you enter, what does price do after that / how much volume is involved (not referencing your 100 shares btw)

    That’ll tell ya everything necessary – but not necessarily what you’re asking


    As for your friend’s perspective – doom and gloom – potentially, if you don’t use a stop….. slippage – very… very doubtful

    As to your perspective – I suggest you reevaluate it – respectfully of course

    eta - whether you're buying another's entry or exit - is not nearly as important... as who is in charge..., or about to be - when you're going long... or short


    Food for thought
    RN
     
    #12     May 15, 2013
  3. This is how it all began:

    If a dealer is shorting a stock to fill an order, he's hedging his short in options. He is not net short, or he wouldn't be a dealer for long.

    Life is better for a dealer if he can cross the order, but, being gravy, it is not the main course. They'll buy it if they can - "payment for order flow" is about one thing: buying crosses.

    A scam OTC stock is of course a different story, but I did say "dealer".

    Google market-maker, specialist, liquidity provider.

    Nowadays, if your order is being filled by some other schmoe on an ECN, you have no idea whether he's hedging or if he's got a printing press in his bedroom.

    If you google up "Naked shorting" and "Fails to deliver" and then connect some dots, you might conclude that the "printing press" model was used in 2008 not by mere schmoes, but by schmoes in very key places of the industry to bring down Bear Stears, Lehman Brother, AIG, (and countless relatively unknown issues) and would have taken down more had not the temporary ban been put into effect. This was made possible by lax enforcement in an environment of outright fraud on the most massive scale.

    If you are interested enough to scratch the surface, You'll come across the Overstock.com story. Ignore all the hype and read some of the articles about naked shorting. There's an author who has done his homework and what he has to say will be incredible -- but he has credibility.

    The specialist system was the best thing going, but the second generation was stupid and greedy so God punished them with things like Arca. And so we all suffer.
     
    #13     May 16, 2013
  4. this is why schwab and td want your business - it's order flow they not only don't have to pay for, you pay them to take it.
     
    #14     May 16, 2013
  5. Gyles

    Gyles

    This is an important distinction to make. Options and stocks are not the same – options are basically an independent “bet” between two parties on the price of a stock. Stocks however don’t need someone to be short when a sale happens because it can just be transferring ownership of shares.
     
    #15     May 16, 2013
  6. emg

    emg



    HFT will stop you out
     
    #16     May 16, 2013
  7. ammo

    ammo

    jungle is full of animals emg
     
    #17     May 16, 2013