Gun violence in UK: Britain shocked as lawmaker shot and killed

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Greenie, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    I have, mainly on the day it appeared, as a "mirror" post to a poster who said everyone who voted for Obama is stupid.
     
    #11     Jun 17, 2016
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    It is a strawman argument to think gun control is utterly ineffective unless it stops absolutely all shootings. That's a nonsense position a child would take.
     
    #12     Jun 17, 2016
  3. bone

    bone

    You simply cannot compare Europe and the U.K. ( my salute to Brexit ) with the United States in terms of gun control. Or Australia for that matter.

    Guns have been a mainstay centerpiece of American culture since the Jamestown settlement.

    There are at least 300 million firearms already in circulation in the US and so it stands to reason hundreds of millions of magazines with at least 10 round capacity. A buyback or confiscation program would be of very limited effectiveness. We know this to be factual because talk of gun control and bans has actually manifested the consequence of increasing US gun purchases by esoteric orders of magnitude. Since the Sandy Hook tragedy, it is said that Smith & Wesson increased production rates of its M&P line of ARs by 10 times to meet consumer demand.

    1. It takes maybe 2 seconds to change magazines. You can tape two low round count mags together, flip them over, and keep firing. Low round count magazines are not much of a deterrent. It's a convenience factor more than anything.

    2. AR is just a design flavor. It's a model of an item. Like a Chevy Camaro. Like an iPhone 6S. There are plenty of semi-automatic magazine fed rifles and pistols out there that are not ARs - they've been making them since the very early 1900s before WW 1.

    3. AR-15 is near low man on the totem pole in terms of bullet lethality in rifles. In some states it is illegal to hunt anything larger than a varmint ( groundhogs, coyotes) with the 223/556 cartridge. Police have shot armed suspects several times with AR-15 in 223/556 and they have survived - not a rare occurrence. Try that with a 300 Win Mag or a 338 Lapua.
     
    #13     Jun 17, 2016
  4. wjk

    wjk

    My comment had nothing to do with background checks. You already know I'm OK with background checks and beyond in certain situations. You also know there is a strong desire, mostly on the left, to ban a multitude of weapons, which is the agenda I spoke of. I'm suggesting dealing with mental issues that lead to these crimes before banning the weapons the mentally unstable choose to use.
     
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    #14     Jun 17, 2016