You might find this interesting.... Though Colorado recently passed a ban on "magazines >15 rounds"... I was told by Cabela's employee at their gun sales desk that we Coloradoans can buy ">15 round mags" (including 100-rd drums for Thompson machine guns) in a couple of towns... as the local sheriffs refuse to enforce that ban! Oorah! for them!
fully auto has been banned for some time now. how often do you hear a criminal committing a crime with a fully auto?? answer: NEVER bans work
There weren't millions of fully automatic weapons already in circulation. And there are crimes that the DEA has to deal with regularly where automatic weapons are confiscated. They're just not widely available because they never were. Not even close to the same thing with the millions of pistols out there. Next?
they were manufactured and fully available to anyone, till they were rightly banned . correct? and now we don't see any crime committed with them, correct?
No, not correct. They were legal prior to 1934. Prior to that, only a few models were available to purchase at a much higher cost than single shot rifles and pistols. So obviously, no one but collectors and the military really purchased them - not to mention that many required significant weight in the weapon that questioned as to whether it was truly "portable" in the first place. Tanks weren't illegal prior to 1945, but no one purchased them, either. Why spend the money on something like that when you can just buy a pistol? The point is, there was never a time when there were large numbers of automatic weapons in circulation to get rid of in a ban. The issue is never about whether or not a ban can be put in place, but whether it would be effective. You don't seem to get that. You seem to forget (or were perhaps in diapers when) Congress banned "assault weapons" in 1994 for 10 years. It didn't work. The DEA and ATF in particular report crimes with automatic or "sub-machine" guns on a regular basis, mostly when dealing with gang on gang and drug related crime. You don't see people hold up a liquor store with an automatic weapon, because concealing it is next to impossible. Pistols are much more convenient for crime. So not correct on that one either.
Banning works because of a natural attrition rate. Guns, clips etc break, wear out cannot be replaced, you see less of them in use. It takes time but it does work as my example of fully auto.
One person was shot and killed on the campus of Mills College in Fairfield, AL yesterday (link). One man was shot and killed in Harrisburg, PA this morning (link). One person was shot and killed in Copperas Cove, TX last night (link). One person was shot and killed in Bluffton, SC last night (link). One person was shot and killed in Phoenix, AZ this morning (link). One person was shot and killed and two others were shot and wounded yesterday in Richmond, VA (link). One person was shot and killed in Cleveland, OH this morning (link). Two people were shot and killed in Roanoke, VA Monday night (link). A 2-year-old child shot and killed himself last night in Acworth, GA (link). One person was shot and killed in St Petersburg, FL last night (link).
It's shocking how little you understand this. I'm going to post something I posted a while back when someone a lot smarter than you tried to argue what you're arguing now. It's about a hypothetical gun ban and what happens: 1. All guns are made illegal. Sales are banned, a grace period buyback is instituted to return all guns to your local police department and you would get the avg. value of the weapon from the Federal Government buyback program. The number of legally owned firearms in America - by civilians is estimated at 290 million. To be ultra conservative (meaning, to take the extreme low side on value) let's assume that the avg. firearm cost is $500. That means the Federal Government's buy back program at 100% of LEGAL compliance (forget the illegal weapons, lets assume criminals don't turn in their guns because the government wants them) is $145 Billion. LOL! Riiight. And that's the low side of the equation. And then there's the cost of the program, managing it and the destruction cost of all those millions of weapons. Who knows how high this goes? Additionally, the ban on all gun sales removes $33 Billion from GDP, and approximately 200,000 employees from the workforce - and that's just the workers that work directly for manufacturers and direct gun sales. It doesn't count all the folks in the gun retail environment, shooting ranges, sportsman clubs, gun smiths, pawn shops,....whatever. But lets ignore all this and say President jimmiebarton (God help us) doesn't care about the economic impact, he wants guns off the damned street. Ok. 2. Guns are removed from the legal population. Now we've got a few million illegally owned guns out there. Crime statistics show that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by people who have illegal firearms. So you don't really get rid of any crime. Sure, you might make a 1% dent in the overall crime rate by removing the few and far between situations where some legal gun owner goes nuts or something happens, but this would likely be countered by a LARGE increase in violent crime as criminals now know they don't have to worry about homeowners and people with guns to defend themselves. 3. As time goes on, the price of illegal weapons on the streets skyrocket. Weapons begin to be smuggled in through the border, and legal residents go out and acquire an illegal firearm to protect themselves from the criminals that have them. I know I would. I'd get a pistol and keep it safe in case I was ever attacked in my home. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, right? 4. People begin to be arrested for defending themselves with an illegal firearm, and subjecting normal law abiding, otherwise harmless individuals because they now own an illegal gun after you took their legal one away. Meanwhile the criminals using guns continue on their merry way, unmoved by President jimmiebarton's ban - because if I'm a criminal and I'm going to commit murder (which might incarcerate me for life), why do I care about your silly gun law? Is that what you were hoping for? Guns will NEVER be banned. Ever. Ever ever. There will never be the political capital to pull it off, nor the money to make it happen. But even if it did, it wouldn't work out like liberals want it to. You have more of a chance of passing a 100% income tax. Or a constitutional amendment to make the national language Swahili. As for guns wearing out, you know little about guns, apparently. Guns can be maintained almost indefinitely with some relatively simple care. My uncle has an M1 Garand from 1942. Still shoots perfectly. I baby my weapons, and they will likely be passed on to my son 20 years from now - and they'll be as good as new. Cry all you want, it will never happen - you can be sure of it.