Gun Control

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. wjk

    wjk

    #141     Oct 31, 2015
  2. #142     Oct 31, 2015
  3. wildchild

    wildchild

    Could you, at the very least, make a run down of the people who used guns to defend themselves and their families? Ohh let me guess, those facts dont matter.
     
    #143     Oct 31, 2015
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    First, I never said it was too expensive. I said it would never be passed by congress because of the cost (It's far greater than $100B). Second, you conveniently left out the hit to GDP and employment. Third, and most importantly, you have no idea how to get illegal guns off the street. :) Keep parroting, though.
     
    #144     Nov 1, 2015
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    More inconvenient data that the moonbat control advocates will ignore, or attempt to discredit, etc.

    Pew: Homicide Rates Cut in Half Over Past 20 Years (While New Gun Ownership Soared)

    October 27, 2015Ryan McMaken
    The Pew Research Center reported last week that the murder rate was cut nearly in half from 7 per 100,000 in 1993 to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2013. Over the same period, overall gun deaths (including accidents and suicides) have fallen by one-third from 15.2 to 10.6 per 100,000.

    In spite of this, Pew reports, the American public (and idiots like Fraudcurrents - TT) believes that homicides and gun deaths are increasing in the United States. Those who think violence is getting worse should probably watch less television and look around them instead. The murder rate in the US is currently similar to 1950s levels.

    Meanwhile, the number of privately owned guns (and gun commerce in general) in the United States has increased substantially in recent decades.

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    Source: Firearms Commerce in the US, Annual Statistical Update. (From BATF)

    According to the World Bank, here are the homicide rates in the US since 1995:

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    Here's the homicide rate graphed against total new firearms (manufactured plus imported) in US (indexed with 1995 =100):

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    Meanwhile, in Mexico, where the US Consulate counsels Americans to not even carry pocket knives in the face of "Mexico’s strict weapons laws." There is exactly one gun store in Mexico. In short, the Mexican experience is a perfect example of the effect of prohibition. A lack of legal access to guns leads to a need for illegal access.

    The murder rates in Mexico:

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    Mexican politicians complain that weapons are easily smuggled from the United States, and that is the source of their problem. But if access to guns is the problem, shouldn't murder rates be much higher in the United States? Moreover, if gun smuggling is such a problem in Mexico, this is just another piece of evidence showing the weakness of prohibition laws in preventing access to the intended target of prohibition.

    Naturally, we can't blame everything on gun prohibition in Mexico, nor can we attribute the murder rate decline solely to more guns in the US. But we can say two things for sure: (1) Gun restriction in Mexico has not prevented enormous increases in the murder rate, and (2) increases in gun totals in the US have not led to a surge in the murder rate.
     
    #145     Nov 2, 2015
  6. Two things;

    1) rates of homicides have gone down almost everywhere

    2) since Australia instituted their gun law, their death rate by guns has gone down about 60%
    During that same period the rate in the US only went down about 7%
     
    #146     Nov 2, 2015
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    That makes sense, since the US has a totally different gun base, totally different socio-economic setup and totally different demographical make up. That's why the two countries can never be compared. As for the rates of homicides going down "almost everywhere", they don't go down "almost everywhere" with a spike in number of guns in circulation.

    That kinda flies in the face of your "more guns, more death" bullshit.
     
    #147     Nov 2, 2015

  8. Actually the reason is not that they are different nations, it is that they have banned guns, thus their gun death rate has gone down eight times more than the US's. Because there are now much fewer guns. So people are not killed by guns. Because there are fewer of them. Because they made a law. So the guns aren't there now. So they are not being killed by them.

    Let me know if you need further clarification.
     
    #148     Nov 2, 2015
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Perhaps you can further clarify how many guns Australia had on the street illegally before they banned guns, and then compare it to the amount in the US - you know, just so it's stated openly.
     
    #149     Nov 2, 2015

  10. Irrelevant
     
    #150     Nov 2, 2015