Gun control is about Urban vs Rural areas

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by IShopAtPublix, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. It is blatantly obvious guns don't belong in cities. New York City has the lowest crime rate of any big city in US thanks to TOUGH and EFFECTIVE enforcement of gun laws. It would be even better if the rest of the country was like NYC. If NYC said, f' it let's just let anyone carry a gun it would drown in crime.

    The problem with the gun control debate is that yahoos living in rural and suburban areas judge gun crime trends based on their superficial existence. Nobody is going to care about your wheat farm and gangs would not congregate there either. If you live in a well off suburb and carry laws don't seem to make a hell hole out of it it is not because of guns, it is because the people living in your neighborhood are not cut out to rob banks and police manage to keep outsiders at bay.

    Gangs and organized crime prefer urban settings for a variety of obvious reasons. Much higher population density and economic density. Whether it is kidnapping, bank robbery, burglary, extortion, loan sharking, prostitution, drug sales, you name it, it is ALWAYS better to do it in a city. There are no drive bys to be had on wheat farms.

    It is because of gangs and organized crime in urban settings that there should be uniform gun control laws across the whole country.
  2. Lucrum


    1)How so?
    2) How do you plan to confiscate all the firearms the city criminals posses?
    NO, it doesn't. Of cities with a population of 250,000 or more it ranks 45 out of 72 for violent crimes 48 out of 72 for murders.
    Actually those cities/states that allow law abiding citizens to carry generally have lower crime rates than those that don't.
  3. 377OHMS


    Yeah, and they cling to their guns and religion, they aren't fashionable and they refuse to become homosexual. They have crazy ideas about private property and own big homes filled with kids and dogs and who knows what else. They don't order triple venti macchiato peppermint mochas at Starbucks or insist on farm-raised norwegian salmon steaks at the Whole Foods store. They don't do phone sex or watch much porn.

    Wtf is wrong with these rural yahoos?
  4. pspr


    LOL Those rural honkies, what do they know? 'Salt of the earth' doesn't mean nothin' no more. Anyone who shops at Publix is smarter than those folks. :D

  5. That's just false. The fact is that states with more gun control have fewer gun related deaths.

  6. I put "BIG" modifier in front of "city" for a reason. You compare NYC to Chicago, LA, etc. not to a "city" of 250,000. NYC is head and shoulders above Chicago and LA, for one good reason - NYPD is mean and VERY good at what it does.

    To solve the country's gun problem you do the following:

    1)You can own a shotgun for your home protection ONLY provided you are not a felon, psycho, etc.
    2)Concealed carry and open carry are banned
    3)Hand guns are banned, assault rifles are banned

    As to how you get the guns out of the system, you buy them back. You say "you have 3 months to either sell it for a good price or go to jail at the end of the period". Vast majority will sell them back, the ones that wont would be a lot easier to deal with later. Gun crime would collapse in Chicago and everywhere else.
  7. Lucrum


    Myth: Gun control reduces crime

    Fact: The U.S. government “found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes” 263 and also concluded in one study that none of the attackers interviewed was "hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws."264
    Fact: Violent crime appears to be encouraged by gun control. Most gun control laws in the United States have been written since 1968, yet the murder rate rose during the 70s, 80s and early 90s.265
    Fact: In 1976, Washington, D.C. enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. The city's murder rate rose 134 percent through 1996 while the national murder rate has dropped 2 percent.266
    Fact: Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 have restrictive or very restrictive gun laws.267
    Fact: Maryland claims to have the toughest gun control laws in the nation and ranks #1 in robberies and #4 in both violent crime and murder.268 . The robbery rate is 70% more than the national average.269 These numbers are likely low because one of their more violent cities, Baltimore, failed to report their crime levels.
    Fact: In 2000, 20% of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just six percent of the population – New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C. – most of which have/had a virtual prohibition on private handguns.270
    Fact: The landmark federal Gun Control Act of 1968, banning most interstate gun sales, had no discernible impact on the criminal acquisition of guns from other states.271
    Fact: Washington, D.C.'s 1976 ban on the ownership of handguns (except those already registered in the District) was not linked to any reduction in gun crime in the nation's capital.272
    Fact: New York has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation – and 20% of the armed robberies.273
    Fact: There are more than 22,000 (274) gun laws at the city, county, state, and federal level. If gun control worked, then we should be free of crime. But the Federal government concluded that no criminal that attacked a police officer was “hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws."275
    Fact: In analyzing 10 different possible reasons for the decline in violent crime during the 1990s, gun control was calculated to have contributed nothing (high imprisonment rates, more police and legalized abortion were considered the primary factors, contributing as much as 28% of the overall reduction). 276

    263 First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws, CDC, Task Force on Community Preventive Services, Oct 3, 2003 – a systematic review of 51 studies that evaluated the effects of selected firearms laws on violence
    264 Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation's Law Enforcement Officers, U.S. Department of Justice, August 2006
    265 National Center for Health Statistics, Vital Statistics, Revised July, 1999
    266 Dr. Gary Kleck, University of Florida using FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1997
    267 Ibid
    268 Index of Crime by State, FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) for 2000, p. 79, Table 5
    269 FBI Uniform Crime Reports, September 15, 2000
    270 Ibid
    271 Under the Gun, Wright, Rossi, Daly, University of Massachusetts, 1981
    272 Ibid
    273 Ibid
    274 Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime, and Violence in America, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms estimate and reported via James Wright, Peter H. Rossi, Kathleen Daly, 1983
    275 Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation's Law Enforcement Officers, As presented by Ed Davis, criminal investigative instructor FBI Behavioral Science Unit, to the International Association of Chiefs of Police, reporting from U.S. Department of Justice, August 2006
    276 Understanding Why Crime Fell in the 1990s, Steven Levit, Journal of Economic Perspectives, Winter 2004
  8. Cities have way more people and generate way more economic activity than rural areas. Inconveniencing rural areas for the sake of cities is a common sense solution. In many countries, including those with much higher standard of living than US, rural folks defer to urban ones, as they should.
  9. pspr


    Ohhhh, SCOTUS won't like that at all. :D
  10. Lucrum


    Oh yeah? How much food do they produce?
    According to who exactly?
    #10     Dec 19, 2012