Guilty feelings are prehistoric, emanating from mental turmoil churning before the manufacturing of material worlds. The making of the material worlds, those worlds based on strange new laws (such as the laws of physics) emanate out of faith, and are somewhat of a response to guilty feelings that rather burn in their most raw experience. The material worlds, which includes all parallel universes (as well as rest areas in between incarnations), serves to somewhat distance the maker from the burning feeling, and offers a thin buffer to insulate one's feelings from the prehistoric mental anguish. As such, the material worlds were assembled rather hastily, to offer some relief, and yet, despite the haste, functions exactly for the purpose it was designed. The worst of the hellish feelings, as such, are not as much in the future, as they are in the past. Relatively speaking, the material worlds offer a sense of safety compared to before. These worlds function to hide feelings deep down below layers of subconscious mind. But, just as churning hot magma occasionally erupts to the surface, so too does guilt, or guilty feelings erupt to the surface of our consciousness. This is the genesis of the blame game. It makes us feel a little better to blame someone else for the guilty feelings we feel churning below the surface of our mind. Since it is always churning, we are always blaming. The psychological term is called projection, and is the genesis of hypocrisy. In these worlds, circumstances arise wherein we are sure we are guilty, or someone else is guilty. We saw what happened, for example, and, according to some law, we are surely guilty. However, in these worlds, cause and effect are actually reversed. Circumstances that seem to prove we are guilty, or someone else guilty, arise because of the prior, prehistoric guilt that churns underneath the surface. We think we are guilty (or someone else) because of something that happened. But instead, something happened because we feel guilty, deep down. This is a function of the mind that is making and maintaining the material worlds through it's faith. It believes it is guilty. This mind functions in two stages: thinking and proving. Whatever it thinks, it seeks to prove. Thinking and faith are nearly the same thing. As i've said about faith: we only ever believe what we want to be true. With this in mind, faith goes about working to prove true whatever it thinks. This can be described as self-sabotage. The material worlds function as a kind of punishment for what is prehistorically believed. The worlds function to slow down the punishment, and/or mitigate the pain by spreading it out over time...and over numbers. The maker separates itself into a granularity of mental spaces, each receiving some kind of manifestation of it's space. This could be a human body, but can also be an animal body. At different times and places, the collective body experiences the pains of hell. If each hellish experience were strung together one after another, one could argue that the pain is constant. On the other hand, it could be argued that pleasure is constant as well, offsetting the pain. So the material worlds are not a perfect solution to the original problem, or shall we say, to the original "sin". We will never be able to comfortably make hell into our home, no matter how many golf courses we curate here. As it is said, the beatings will continue until moral improves. Shit will continue to happen so long as the driving forces that instigate self-sabotage are not harnessed. You might make 1000% gain on your trading account this year, but lose it all next year, as self-sabotage continues to lurk under the surface, proving you are guilty, and trying to punish you/yourself. If you don't hurt yourself financially, you might hurt yourself physically, or mentally. One way or another, the forces are relentless. So no, we can never feel fully comfortable, or secure, no matter how much we try to make of it a "home". Home is a prehistoric paradise existing before the advent of the twilight zone called time. Home is an eternal resting place of exquisite joy and happiness, never wavering, only ever increasing. This home can also be described as The Self, or the One Only Good. It may also be called Reality, and/or Christ. It is known, not believed. It is the totality of knowledge, a state of mind that has no room for strange concepts we call faith. The knowledge is entirely of the Self, as there is nothing else in existence. Faith is a weasel word to describe a theoretical area of the prehistoric mind (of Christ) where imagination functions to make shit up as it goes. Faith, as an expression of ignorance, functions to destroy knowledge. Enough faith, even faith as small as a mustard seed, will completely destroy all knowledge. As such, faith destroys Christ, which comprises all known knowledge (omniscience). This is the genesis of self-sabotage. Faith, like an invisible demon, seeks to possess the mind of it's host, and take over. Give faith an inch and it will take a mile. In this way, the material worlds are taken, not given. Faith takes away from Christ the knowledge that belongs to Christ, transforming Christ into an ignorant fool, but not just one fool, many fools, as many as the stars in the sky, or the sands on the seashore. Faith transforms Christ into all mankind, descending and reducing Christ yet further into all manner of animal, insect, and worm. As mankind, Christ suffers, arguably constantly. Ignorance is the father of all evil. Evil happens. But again, it is the guilty feelings playing out upon the sands of time, "proving" prehistoric faith to be "true". In this way, Christ, crucified, is a graphic symbol of the material worlds, all their histories, from beginning to end. The material worlds, in fact, function as a torture device, and a killing machine. Again, this is all self-sabotage. Said another way, the material worlds are a dead Christ. The physical universe(s), and all invisible supporting apparatus, are likened to a tomb, for a dead and dying Christ. The solution to this problem is to first identify as the dead Christ. If you can do this, you will soon be able to identify as the live Christ. The live Christ resumes it's experience of unending joy and happiness, unwavering, and only increasing. You can start reducing the frequency and magnitude of guilty feelings and painful experiences by a reverse psychology process called forgiveness. Forgiveness functions to cool down the burning, churning pool of hot prehistoric magma so that it stops erupting in your life experience. In this way, you might be able to make 1000% on your trading account this year...and keep it. This is the way to interrupt self-sabotage. Forgiveness involves an effort to gradually wake up to the truth. Forgiveness asserts that nothing faith has ever proposed as "true" has ever been any kind of "fact". Forgiveness asserts that nothing in time that has ever "happened", has ever happened. If it hasn't happened, there can be no cause for guilt. Going even further back, nothing before time that has happened has ever happened. It is only faith that makes it so. Likewise, faith can make it un-so. Better yet, knowledge makes it not so. If anyone ever really knew the big picture, it would be obvious that there is no cause for guilt, or guilty feelings. Describing this further, the mental process called faith , has made shit up as it goes. Forgiveness recognizes this, and functions to constantly remind the mind of that fact. In breaking from knowledge, faith has accused Christ of every awful thing. To the extent that it can convince the mind of Christ to believe it, Christ has felt the pangs of guilt. Pain is a phenomenon that proves the guilt is "true". The material worlds function as a kind of kangaroo court that railroads Christ into a guilty plea, to be sentences and condemned. In this court, Christ is not allowed any kind of evidence of proof of innocence. All the "evidence" is stacked against him, so-to-speak. In it's destruction of knowledge, faith rules the day...and the night. Mankind is a substitute for Christ, standing in Christ's place, so-to-speak, appropriating qualities that belong only to Christ, such as existence (life). Because of the ongoing prosecution, this is not a safe place to abide in. No, it is not "good" to be "man", a mere manifestation of faith. In this environment, the only safe place to stand is to stand on the rock of Christ, so-to-speak. Only Christ is actually safe in this environment. It is only dangerous for substitutes (scapegoats). If one can identify with the dead Christ, forgiveness begins to drain the swamp of guilty feelings churning a thousand miles below the conscious mind. Once one realizes, fully, s/he is innocent, that one is safe. That one will not feel pain. It is for this reason, Jesus did not feel any pain during the crucifixion. The lack of pain was a lesson for those nearest to him to learn. Fully forgiven, there is no more self-sabotage, and soon, the experience of the living Christ follows. One way to accelerate the forgiveness process (draining the swamp), is to forgive "others". By seeing others as one's Self, forgiveness is commuted to the Self. Forgiveness does not accept guilt as an actual fact, for anybody, anywhere, anytime. Forgiveness realizes damning circumstances are staged and framed. Forgiveness targets the prehistoric, faith-based propaganda that generates the genesis of guilty feelings and circumstances. Without that cesspool, there will be no more damning circumstances arising in one's experience, and finally, no more pain. Forgiveness is actually a change-of-mind about prehistoric events. For example, it does not accept the shifting of blame from man's maker to mankind (through Adam and Eve). Forgiveness shifts the blame back to man's maker, the responsible party. And then, it absolves that party in turn. That party cannot be guilty if none of the pre-historic propaganda was ever true. In this way, the devil himself has no basis for existence. Forgiveness can be accelerated by constant reminders of these truths, until they are self-evident. Constant reminders are the essence of "baptism". Brainwashing needs to be reversed through the washing of one's mind with the truth. In practice, one thing you can do, next time you seem to feel guilty for no reason, is you can blame the Democrats. Just kidding. Blame the Republicans. Just kidding again. Gnash your teeth. Kidding for the last time. This only serves to perpetuate the rotation of guilt throughout the collective subconscious. It does not serve to drain the swamp. Instead, just sit there and feel the feelings. Don't let the mind race to find some reason, or some event that proves the feelings are justified (or to find some reason or action you can take to alleviate the feelings). The feelings are NOT justified, under any circumstance. Realize the feelings are not coming from any event, or anything you have done. They are coming from a primordial soup of accusatory propaganda against one's own Self. It burns. But just feel it smoking, and let the smoke rise until it dissipates into the fresh air. These are just some helpful hints toward the fine art of forgiveness. Forgiveness is the giving back your original identity back to your Self, what faith has taken (stolen) away through it's deceptions, delusions, and lies. Give anyone and everyone the same identity (Christ) to accelerate the process. Seek to be equal, not special. Forgiveness gradually pushes faith back out of the mind that it seeks to possess. It is symbolized by the casting out of demons. Forgiveness pushes faith back from the mile that it took, to the inch that it was given. Finally, faith is given no quarter, to be replaced with the original knowledge of the Self. That Self is innocent of all charges. Once this if fully accepted, it will be "realized", and it will become one's experience, NOW.
%% 2 kinds of guilt=REAL + FAKE. Avoid the travel agent that gives a free guilt trip.LOL. Check out a good paper Bible like KJV, NIV, NKJV, Amplified Classic Bible. Too many internet Bibles leave out most of Jonah chapter 2.
I don't own any paper bibles anymore, maybe for couple decades. I gave a box full of Christian books and references to i can't remember who. So occasionally i will look something up online before saying something about it, to insure my memory is the same as what is still there. Are you saying online bibles are not reliable, and/or missing verses, paragraphs, chapters? How do you feel about Reformation bibles that leave out a few "Catholic" books? What do you think of Mark 16:9-20? Anyway, i'm saying that there is no real guilt, according to the Truth. This is how the Truth "washes away the sins of the world". The Truth is more than just a circumstance. It is a Being that i like to call "Christ". Sins, and the guilt that arises from the sins, are not true, nor or they the "truth". In taking your position, you are saying that sins are as true as Christ is true. Again, you are misunderstanding who/what Christ is. It is "sin" which causes this misunderstanding. Nothing but Christ is true. This is an exclusive quality of Christ's existence. Therefor sins represent all that is not true. Guilt is an integral part of the sin-complex so-to-speak. Once again, the truest definition of "sin" is, S.I.N.: Seriously Insane Notions about Christ. One of these notions is that Christ is, or can become "guilty". This is not true, nor ever will be, but if you invest "faith" in the notion, it becomes "true" for whatever you now think you are. If "you" are powerful enough, you could make an entirely new world that corroborates your faith, and proves you are right. This is the basis of the material worlds. Here, it is hard to believe that guilt is not a fact. But it's not a fact in the world of Christ, which is the only world that matters. It is the real world, versus a completely fake world built upon fake notions about Christ.
%% RSV +TLB are known for not being accurate / both online + paper versions . I still read TLB=easy read/LOL; I have had more + still own one catholic Bible[NEB] Mark 16/all of it no problem; nothing new in Mark 16/no gov health care in there. Good word. PS I dont play with snakes...............................................................................[Did have a pet snake as a kid /different thread/LOL]
We, as "people", are a "dead Christ". So if you aren't worried about that, then don't worry. But your apparent existence is the alternative to a live, living Christ. Said another way, if you were to misrepresent Christ, you could kill Christ. The material worlds represent a total misrepresentation of Christ. This suggests that death and change are the same thing. "Video killed the radio star" is a popular lyric that supports this definition. Change represents the death of what came before it. So when Obama advocated the slogan "Change we can believe in", he was advocating for "death to America", a common wish of a relatively foreign religion. But i digress. Your assertion is that something that is "conscious" (aware) can change to something that is "unconscious" (unaware), or more, the complete extinguishment of any kind of consciousness, no matter how dull. However, the phenomenon of sleep suggests that yes, what was conscious can change to some other kind of consciousness (a dream state), where the neo (sleeping) consciousness is completely oblivious (unconscious of) the prior state of awakeness (expanded awareness). Suggesting this holds consistent for the "death" type of change, Jesus said, "She is not dead, she is only sleeping". This is what enables, the "dead" to come back to "life". So no, i don't think there can be a complete extinguishment of consciousness, but rather a change of awareness. This, i say, is owing to the original vitality of Christ, as Life itself. Life cannot be extinguished, merely changed, by faith, to something relatively unconscious (dull, ignorant). Certainly humans are totally unconscious and/or unaware of their own ignorance, including their ignorance of the life of Christ, which is their own life! For this reason there is an obscure verse by the apostate Paul saying, "Awake oh ye who sleep in Christ". Paul said this was included in "scripture" but can't be found anywhere else in the bible. Nevertheless, i think is is a valid saying that he ignorantly borrowed in his quest for authority-by-association. For your case, you have no proof of the phenomenon you assert, nor could you obtain any proof. On the other hand, there is an abundance of evidence, nearing proof, that come from anecdotes derived from reincarnational memory, near death experiences, out-of-body experiences, and one chemical experience which extinguishes the ego, temporarily. Of course, if one were to arise from a casket or walk out of a tomb after three days, arguably there is no death involving total extinquishment of consciousness. Entire books have been written on these various phenomenon. The chemical that extinguishes the ego is of particular interest. It's called 5 MeO-DMT, made popular by the book "Triptomine Palace: 5 MeO-DMT and the Sonoran Desert Toad". Death of the ego is the kind of death Jesus recommended, having set the example himself. If he did walk out of a tomb after three days, it's because he had managed to extinguish his ego, killing it, for all practical purposes. "Anyone who tries to hold on to his life will lose it, but he who lays down his life for my sake, will take it up again", is a reference to the death of ego. As you can see, the death of ego is still not the end, but rather, the resumption of life as Christ. Conversely, the introduction of ego, as well the maintenance of ego, is the "death" of Christ. People are many egos, a fake kind of consciousness, deriving from one prime ego. The prime ego represents a changed/dead Christ, as do all egos begotten from it's tendency to partition, separate, replicate, copy, and multiply. 5 Meo-DMT facilitates a temporary experience of the death of the prime ego, and all sub-egos, including one's own sub-identity. When the ego is removed from it's obstructive function, one is able to return to the prior state of awareness as Christ. It is debatable as to whether the experience reveals exactly the experience of Christ as Self, however it is close enough to be highly educational. In summary, life and/or consciousness, and/or awareness is a lot like energy, which is said to be changeable, but not extinguishable. For this reason, "Christ died for our sins" is poetry designed to teach something, because Christ, Life itself, cannot die. Sins assert that Christ is changeable, and therefore, vulnerable to death. Sins assert that Christ did die. But remember, S.I.N.s are Seriously Insane Notions about Christ. If you invest faith in sin, you will have a tranformative experience that changes you from Christ to something/someone else. This will be an "ego". The ego is a dead Christ, or, a Christ that has been changed so radically beyond recognition, now twisted, now turned upside down, now turned inside out, now beaten down to the dust, from which a neo identity emerges. Not just one, but the "many". So yah, Christ "died" for your "sins". But it is only your sins that keep Christ dead to your awareness as an ego. This is the status quo. The status quo is not the will of Christ. It is the wish of the ego. Kill the ego and discover that Christ never died, and remains your Self. This is the resurrection (the great awakening). In what i call a "traditional death scenario", the body dies, so-to-speak, (starts changing into dust), but the ego is not extinquished. It still lives on, so-to-speak, continuing it's changes. Traditional death scenarios might change the ego a lot, both rapidly and radically, but does not kill it. Without the death of the ego, the identity it represents will likely reincarnate. Jesus recommended the death of the ego as the way to salvation. It must be completely removed for Christ to be revealed as the True Self.
There have been a thousand ways to interpret existence. Here's the first book of like 10 in a series. I've read them all.
Maybe 15 years ago the Seth material was top shelf in my seeking research. I owned at least three of the books. Mostly read, reread, and the rest skimmed. It's too much, and i'll tell you why it did not satisfy my seeking, or quench my search. I could not tell you why then, why i set it aside. But now i can. It's too much because mainly it describes the world(s) of the ego, which are complicated. It takes volumes to navigate the intricacies of the ego's machinations, or what Seth might call the Oversoul, and it's stack of sub-entities. It's not necessary to grok everything there is to grok about the ego...to be able to overcome it. And yes, we do want to overcome it. Overcoming the ego does not seem to be paramount in the Seth material, leaving us to be amazed by the ego's machinations, employing a wide vocabulary to describe all it's minute details. We should not be amazed by anything the ego seems to be able to do (it's powers), as this leads to contentment, as well we condone it's apparent existence, and the things it seems able to bring into existence. If we are content to condone, we too may spend thousands of years recycling through incarnations, like Seth, as well many thousands more in higher planes of consciousness, with or without a clearly delimited body. Next, Seth was too loose with the term "reality", applying the term reality to too many aspects of the ego's machinations. Seth, and many more teachers are fond of saying things like, "You create your own reality". This is tempting indeed, and fosters a fascination with what we can still achieve, if only we can conjure up a power we seem to have lost and now need teachers to help us find again. Today, this really annoys me, as it increases cognitive dissonance to apply the qualities of Christ (reality) to the qualities of the ego (unreality). If you conflate fake and real, you will never be able to overcome the ego and it's works, as the mind remains in a confused state, unable to make distinctions that enable/empower a choice in favor of actual reality. Indeed, faith makes our own experiences. I have said that all the matter that makes up the material worlds is assembled/designed by faith, and is made to appear as a "manifestation". Manifestation. noun. An event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something, especially a theory or an abstract idea. Such is man/mankind. An abstract idea, never more than a theory. After erecting a platform through the arrangement of nano particles according to it's own made up laws of physics, the ego, through it's faith, conjures up all the drama that takes place on the world stage, for man to enjoy or detest. But nothing physical should ever be labeled "real" or "reality", nor any of the dramatic experiences to be had on that stage. Nor should we be fascinated with any of this. It is only the stacks, and the permutations, and the iterations of "entities" that make up the ego that need any kind of interpretation for their apparent existence. Apparent. adjective. Seeming real or true, but not necessarily so. Nothing the ego produces should claim for itself existence, unless it wants to remain confused. Nor should we give what i call the prime ego the quality of existing...a quality belonging only to Christ. Christ's existence needs no interpretation, let alone 1000 versions. Though Christ's existence needs no interpretation, the ego does interpret it, in a thousand different ways. Hence the confusion, as well the large volumes of text devoted to all the amazing interpretations. But is Seth better than legacy, mainstream-media ego-evolved Christianity? I'll say yes. It is much better at explaining the doctrine of responsibility assumption versus the guilt assumption of legacy egotism. I myself adopted full responsibility assumption (as i was leaving Christianity) long before i even fully understood why, and was pleased to find the Seth material later on to confirm the basis of my assumption. It was the authentic teacher Jesus who first popularized the doctrine of responsibility assumption, becoming famous for taking "the sins of the world upon his shoulders" so-to-speak. But once you take this responsibility, as we all should, and must, we must also be mentally equipped to absolve ourselves of the responsibility, that we may forgive ourselves, or rather our Self, for the absolutely horrible things it has seemed to achieve through it's faith in an ego (an alternative "self"). To absolve our Self, the ego cannot be given an inch of "reality", a quality belonging only to the True Self (Christ). So long as the ego (and it's sub-network of alter egos), is given "reality" as it's own, the guilt we feel will continue to simmer below the surface, and we will not be able to forgive our Self. Unable to forgive, self-sabotage will continue for thousands more years, or cycles around a ticking time bomb (the "sun"). Also, "eternal validity" belongs to Christ...not the ego. The term "soul" also belongs to Christ, and not to the ego, or any of it's sub entity identities. Reality, Eternal Validity, and Soul are like reserved words in a programming language. If we misapply reserved words when writing code, our logic will not function and the program will crash. Our code will be "dirty" or it will have "bugs". We need to be more exacting with our language if we are to overcome egotism. So Seth needs to tighten up on his distribution of terms. But given the age of Seth, how he lingers on even after many incarnations, why do you think traditional death scenarios (see my last post) marks the complete extinguishment of consciousness (ego)? Clearly Seth lives on, continues to teach, and presumably continues to learn. Maybe Seth will learn what i'm teaching when he, she or it becomes weary of the status quo (see my last post). Finally, i don't think Seth fully realizes, (or accepts?) because i don't remember him teaching anything about the motives for why "we" "create" our "own reality". I've tried to explain that faith, exercised by an ego (an alter identity not Christ, but pretending to be Christ), assumes guilt, and then, and only then, plots a stage upon which a drama can "prove" the guilt to be the "truth". This is a very advanced teaching, and, i think, goes beyond what Seth himself has learned. I might devote a thread to the analysis of Seth's teachings, applauding the progress, but correcting those logic habits that maintain the status quo, unable to overcome the ego, extending it's experience for thousands of years more than necessary.
For this reason there is an obscure verse by the apostate Paul saying, "Awake oh ye who sleep in Christ". Paul said this was included in "scripture" but can't be found anywhere else in the bible. Nevertheless, i think is is a valid saying ........ For this reason, "Christ died for our sins" is..... designed to teach something, because Christ, Life itself, cannot die. Sins assert that Christ is changeable, and therefore, vulnerable to death. Sins assert that Christ did die. But remember, S.I.N.s are Seriously Insane Notions.... [/QUOTE]/partial quote %% Good partial quote. That awake oh ye sleeper/ sure is in the Bible. EPHESIANS 5;14[I put the ye in there/LOL]