GS Alpha fund down 26%

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by minitrade, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. zdreg

    zdreg

    are you saying that the risk adjusted returns of hedge funds are less than buy and hold strategy after all expenses?
     
    #31     Aug 12, 2007
  2. Nope, they're better on average: equity index like returns with way lower volatility of returns.

    Equities (historically) tend to deliver terrible risk adjusted returns: decent ROR% coupled with roller coaster like volatility.
     
    #32     Aug 12, 2007
  3. zdreg

    zdreg

    and that includes taxes? i will bet not since funds never make these adjusments in their performance.
     
    #33     Aug 12, 2007
  4. eraci

    eraci

    Not true - they were up 50% in 2005.

    Lost 9% in 06 and looking at 26% off for 07 YTD.

     
    #34     Aug 12, 2007
  5. dont

    dont

    You are right but its fairly easy to generate this kind of performance, sell puts on the Index until you blow up and charge 2 and 20 until you do.

    Also come up with some bullshit "strategy" to convince people that you are doing something clever.
     
    #35     Aug 12, 2007
  6. Goldman Sacs is the one and only invincible financial company. They can partically create wealth out of thin air, and create more dollars than the Fed during hyperinflation. The loss was porbably intentional so a different sector could make more money.
     
    #36     Aug 12, 2007
  7. That's stretching it.

    Look, bottom line is that in the cases of BSC and GS, it really it does not matter. It's Other People's Money, not theirs. So at worst, they feel a reputation loss which they can easily rationalize away due to "abnormal market conditions". Blame it on the market, the housing crash, the Fed, the shady mortgage brokers, etc.

    Neither GS nor BSC actually feel any real losses from these fund blow ups. What they do feel is some lost revenue & profits but no real losses. In a couple of years, they will get new funds back up and get new suckers to throw vast amounts of money into them. Rinse & repeat.
     
    #37     Aug 12, 2007
  8. dont

    dont

    Thats it GS will blow up soon!
     
    #38     Aug 12, 2007
  9. I think this piece of news is underscoring your assumption :

    Goldman Global Equity Fund Fell 13.9% in Past Year, People Say

    By Katherine Burton and Jenny Strasburg

    Aug. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s Global Equity Opportunities Fund fell 13.9 percent in the 12 months ended July 31 as its computer-driven trading strategies were disrupted by turmoil in financial markets, people familiar with the hedge fund said.

    The fund has more than $5 billion in assets, said the people, who asked not be identified because its performance is private. The MSCI World Index of stocks gained 21 percent including dividends in the same period.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZ1P4QKP8Mbg&refer=home
     
    #39     Aug 13, 2007
  10. Hedge Funds are usually incorporated offshore e.g. in the BVI or Bahamas and therefore are not liable to US taxes. This helps compounding returns.

    I do not know too much about the US tax system but I believe a taxable event only occurs when asking for a redemption from the fund and re-importing the returns into the US.

    Of course nobody would adjust their performance for taxes, since taxes are subject to the specific conditions of the individual/entity investing in the fund. E.g. a university endowment/charity is not liable to any taxes while an individual is etc.
     
    #40     Aug 13, 2007