Grim future for day trading as a career

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Q3D, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. Those are all excellent points. thanks and good luck on the farm! I come from a long line of agricultural folks that ended with my grandfather---- now the dormant land has paid once again via nat gas leasing-----
     
    #71     Dec 10, 2015
  2. I agree that exchanges should take some meaningful action. And unless you, yourself, are on the threshold of "excessive," however it is defined, you should welcome that initiative because it is in your interest. Why stand up for the guys who are nibbling at your lunch for free -- a pea here, a carrot slice there? You think they're looking out for you?
     
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    #72     Dec 10, 2015
  3. Of course not, but for ONCE, let's do it right and enact the PROPER legislation that will not hurt others. Instead of a tax, let's make a law that will require EXCHANGES to either throttle trades or impose cancel order fees for HFT per the definition....i.e. 50 trades per minute or 100 orders per minute or whatever the proper threshhold is.
     
    #73     Dec 10, 2015
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  4. A tax won't hurt others any more than cancel order fees if they both adhere to the same definition of HFT activity. Whatever works. Let there be lunch, just let it not be free on the backs of others. I'm agreeing with you; I'm just willing to be more flexible about how the "fee" is administered (in accordance to the same definition of HFT activity) if the exchanges drag their feet.
     
    #74     Dec 10, 2015
  5. londonkid

    londonkid

    I wonder if Trump would do the same. :D
     
    #75     Dec 10, 2015
  6. londonkid

    londonkid

    and we are off to the races lol. It is very difficult to make a living as a Day Trader but it is not near impossible. The key element is knowledge from someone who has institutional / prop experience and even then it's definitely not for everyone. It's all about having specialist knowledge of a niche market. Of course money/family connections help. If I was a new trader again I would have tried to specialize sooner and sought out traders who are killing it quicker. Most people look for these pro traders on forums and twitter which is exactly the wrong place. Far better to search online for prop firms or approach people via linked in.

    If I was a new trader and lived in the US I would look to move to Chicagoland as quickly as possible, get a job, start saving and making contacts in the trading industry. Once you have $50k saved join a decent prop firm on a 50% split.

    specialize people. eg. just trade grains and know everything about that market. Or just trade volatility around earnings. You have to know your market inside out and backwards.
     
    #76     Dec 10, 2015
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    HFT has been here awhile. I started hearing about them during the dot.com bust days.

    You really don't want to be trading in a market that doesn't have HFT after HFT has planted its footwork.

    Instead, I rather see HFT remain but without those special privileges they get that other none high frequency traders do not get. I strongly believe this has more promise because the exchanges and regulators responsible for such have recently been reviewing the HFT special privileges versus congress trying to tax them via a law...a law that would still allow them to find other ways to play their games.

    HFT provides so much liquidity now...I really do not want to be in a market without them...without that liquidity. Just as important...I am not a scalper because I do not want to be competing with them. Having control over how I trade (not being a scalper) is one way to limit my exposure to HFT.

    Regardless, we all know how the institutions work these days. Seriously, take something away from them (e.g. HFT)...they'll find something else or create something else that just as profitable. Just look at all the regulations that showed up after the 2008 - 2009 financial fiasco.

    The big boys created new trading instruments to get around those regulations and went got more embedded abroad...business as usual. :mad:
     
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    #77     Dec 10, 2015
  8. Handle123

    Handle123

    If traders are not bitching about HFT, they be bitching about something else. Find the flaws within HFT, learn to adapt and take advantage of them. It not like some trader hitting the 3,000 market order button in Crude Oil, it is computers and math, you work hard at how and when they generate a signal and either tailcoat them or figure out how to get in second before they do. I developed few years ago and discovered something by error, I love HFT now and automated program to watch highest trading markets, if dumb me can do it....

    People for years complain about something, like those who couldn't trade and then Pattern Trading rule came out for stocks. You actually think there be good changes for smaller trader? LOL Small traders have zero percentage of getting fair shake, small traders don't pay enough to make changes, that like telling the poor vote for us and we will help you as they slide deeper into lower incomes. People complain and changes will always be worse for retail trader, they simple don't count enough. You either stay little trader or start gearing up.
     
    #78     Dec 10, 2015
  9. Q3D

    Q3D

    In another thread last week you mentioned that the ES is an ATM and that you scalp off the 1 minute chart, even few swing traders say futures markets are a cash machine. Has the ES atleast become less of a cash machine for you as a scalper in the past 5-10 years?
     
    #79     Dec 10, 2015
  10. Handle123

    Handle123

    Trading does not hold any value for the guy doing a two lot as one who is doing 500 lots, you think you should have same vote? Shoot, only reason there are bottom feeders (brokers) for most part is take from retail, if it wasn't for retail, they not be in business. Yeah, we need more legislation, cause it will hurt the retail trader much more than me, more legislation always hurts the people paying for it. The people who run the exchanges are running a business and not for the two lot trader.

    I have a great idea, let's make it a law that in order to trade ANY market, your account has to maintain $100,000, this way those who can't adapt to market conditions won't be able to complain about it. So the two lot day trader going to need $100,000. Just like the candy bar. LOL.
     
    #80     Dec 10, 2015
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