Great inventions from Africa, Central America , even Asia ???

Discussion in 'Politics' started by NY_HOOD, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    in honesty, it's impossible to discuss these topics w/o a bunch of eugenic pseudoscience getting thrown into the mix.

    IMO, It boils down to:
    Why did nomadic people not care to advance civilization if they're just moving around & out competing beasts looking for another meal?
    vs
    why did agrarian civilizations with all their bounty manage to settle down to think, & push warfare & technology when needing to out compete other people?

    and then there are a whole lot of question of what that does to our brains (out competing animals vs out competing humans)

    in fairness, I don't care enough to pursue the answers to those questions, though I care when people are not given a fair shake when people reach conclusions to some of these questions.
     
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    #51     Mar 8, 2020
  2. d08

    d08

    1. So you're being ignorant in not knowing what Godwin's Law is, got it. Somehow you're also proud of your ignorance, go figure.

    2. Hitler is not the most tyrannical and murderous leader in the 20th century, not even in the second place. He wanted to control Europe and that was his states goal - Europe for Europeans, Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians. So you've failed in history as well. I'm not surprised.

    3. I played instruments, sung in a choir and have some musical education, not that it's actually relevant.

    4. Melodies in Gospel music are extremely basic, not comparing to classical music in any sense. You have to be tone deaf not to realize this.

    5. As I already stated, what sells is mostly irrelevant. Hollywood churns out superhero movies five a year and they're always top of the charts, no-one will care nor remember these in 20 years time. Art isn't really judged by commercial success, never has been.

    6. If you remove all melodies from top selling rap artists, you're left with a guy talking to a microphone. I suggest you actually try removing the music with filters and see if you still think it would sell.
     
    #52     Mar 8, 2020
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Wouldn't you say you have a bit of bias on that topic?
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ng-of-holocaust-film-the-painted-bird.335687/
     
    #53     Mar 8, 2020
  4. NY_HOOD

    NY_HOOD

    It is rather amazing at what the west has accomplished. Does africa have a high speed rail system or decent infrastructure? Is guatemala known for their great medical treatments?
    Im stil investigating these matters and will keep all of you guys posted.
     
    #54     Mar 8, 2020
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  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Ok, I said I was done, but I can't resist. I gotta unfuck your knowledge of music here.

    You said "African music is rhythm based where as European music is melody based." Ok... all songs have melody. Melody is the combination of rhythm and pitch.

    Without rhythm, there would be no song. Classical or otherwise. Rhythm is "time". The duration of the note. Melody is the result of pitch (notes) + rhythm over time. That's the way it works ok. Just because a song is not written in 4/4 time, or it consists exclusively of 1/4 notes or 1/8 notes...does not mean its void of rhythm. You are using rhythm as an adjective, ... its not... its a noun. Without a time signature, a specific duration of a particular note, and the duration of time between successive notes, there is no melody and there is no song. Period. Case closed on that.

    And besides, why are we even discussing this. The musical revolution that occurred in the 1950's was rock and roll and it forever changed the musical landscape. Rock and roll evolved from the Blues and Gospel. That came from our slaves, and they brought it from Africa. That was my point, and it is correct.

    As to your point #5 above... pretty sure history will judge the Stones, Elvis, Led Zepplin, Snoop, Michael, Cash, Prince as "true" artists 100 years from now. I doubt they'll bring up $'s made.
     
    #55     Mar 8, 2020
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  6. d08

    d08

    #56     Mar 8, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I'm not disputing Stalin's or Mao's kill number, rather the downplaying notion of "Europe for Europeans" while cleansing whole populations of them for being a certain sect.
     
    #57     Mar 8, 2020
  8. d08

    d08

    No. All songs do not have melody. There's plenty of music entirely focused on drums and beats.

    Yes, European music in medieval times paid no attention to rhythm. It means rhythm was constant or even inconsistent, it was about the melody being played.

    You have a very America-biased view of music which is understandable, doubt you'd have any clue of the same era European artists around. And like I said, rhythm based music has come from Africa, I never disputed this.
    History of music started way before 1900s and that's why you're limited in your views.
     
    #58     Mar 8, 2020
  9. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Ok.... and what lies between each of those beats that makes that song unique? TIME. Rhythm. Duh!!!

    OMG... an American thing(?).... dude, time is fundamental to all music. Are you that fucking dense?

    There's only song in the entire world that doesn't have rhythm, it comes from that little thing that sits atop of my baby-grand. Mr. Metronome. And his entire purpose in life is to roll out the red carpet for the rhythm. Stick with Dr Godwin and Holocaust denials ok... leave music theory to those that know a little bit about it.

    Why the f do you live in Manila anyway? I always wondered that.
     
    #59     Mar 8, 2020
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  10. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    So did the history of electricity. Then came the transistor, and look where we are.
    That's what rock and roll did to music.
     
    #60     Mar 8, 2020