Gotta love ZERO RISK in the SP500 = $$$

Discussion in 'Trading' started by makloda, Jan 27, 2007.

  1. It's interesting that I'm reading lots of opinions on here that new highs are in the cards (which would be truly the greatest beartrap in decades), but I don't see how a market goes sideways for 6-8 months while every other leading indicator breaks down and, voila, a sharp 3 day break suddenly becomes the thing that turns this all bullish...then again we all saw what happened last October...trendlines were broken, the markets were turning down, QE/ZIRP winding down and bam it rallies right off those lows and VIX collapsed for months...

    We really are trading against central banks and their cronies...and truth be told it's a razor's edge between getting it right and getting steamrolled.
     
    #9531     Aug 27, 2015
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  2. The way these algo's operate in this completely illiquid market, I'm seriously thinking that there will come a point where the swings will dwarf 2008. We've also seen that there are upside "crashes"...the angle of ascent is no different than the angle of descent (something we didn't see as frequently prior to hft)...Sure there were squeezes, but these have a totally different feel...almost like the wires could cross and go up another 5% on air...
     
    #9532     Aug 27, 2015
  3. xandman

    xandman

    A one month downturn, after several good months, does not mean the end of the business cycle. Remember how quiet this summer was despite the economic numbers.

    Released: Thursday, August 20, 2015


    The Conference Board Leading Economic Index® (LEI) for the U.S. declined 0.2 percent in July to 123.3 (2010 = 100), following a 0.6 percent increase in June, and a 0.6 percent increase in May.

    “The U.S. LEI fell slightly in July, after four months of strong gains. Despite a sharp drop in housing permits, the U.S. LEI is still pointing to moderate economic growth through the remainder of the year,” said Ataman Ozyildirim, Director of Business Cycles and Growth Research at The Conference Board. “Current conditions, measured by the coincident economic index, have been rising moderately but steadily, driven by rising employment and income, and even industrial production has improved in recent months.”
     
    #9533     Aug 27, 2015
  4. hajimow

    hajimow

    I meant shines. I meant I don't distracted by activities on stocks that I don't trade and don't get enticed to trade them. I concentrate on a handful of stocks.
     
    #9534     Aug 27, 2015
  5. But this market doesn't really trade off of traditional econ data...It's been all about that expanding Fed balance sheet for the past six years...obviously the component stocks are data dependent, but the buybacks and ZIRP have distorted that as well...

    Just looking at these charts, I see a broken market (not implying direction in stating that).
     
    #9535     Aug 27, 2015
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  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    out of all nikkei futures. /hands over the risk to someone else
     
    #9536     Aug 28, 2015
  7. Visaria

    Visaria

    I don't believe that the retail public have actually entered this market yet, they have been on the sidelines for the last 7 years imo, hence my call for not only the record highs to be broken this year , but 3000 on the sp500 by end of next year.
     
    #9537     Aug 28, 2015
  8. Ditch

    Ditch

    In Holland retail has returned en masse to the stock market, so if history repeats the market is toast.
     
    #9538     Aug 28, 2015
  9. Ditch

    Ditch

    A couple of charts of former selloffs, not much to go by, but at least it shows that you can expect that the market will need more than a few days to work this off.

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    #9539     Aug 28, 2015
  10. Visaria

    Visaria

    long 79, stop 65
     
    #9540     Aug 28, 2015