Gotta love ZERO RISK in the SP500 = $$$

Discussion in 'Trading' started by makloda, Jan 27, 2007.

  1. S2007S

    S2007S


    Very Interesting article that shows no matter what you will not know the bull market is over until the bear is here and that is something I have been saying for a long, long, long time, I have pointed out this fact numerous times by saying you won't know its a recession or bear market till well after the fact, its all backward looking....he even points out what market "experts" were saying back in 2000 just before the collapse, same thing can be said for what is happening now, turn on cnbc and about 99% of think the market is heading higher, that this is just 6 years in a 10+ year bull market, the facts hold true that you will be too late to sell all positions by the time you realize the bear has taken over, and with the mentality that buying the dips has worked thousands of times there is going to be that one time it won't work and thats the time panic is going to set in, the higher these markets go without a meaningful correction the bigger the collapse when it comes, to rule out and to think there isnt a great correction coming is foolish thinking because the next collapse will easily be a 25-40% drop, I know many will disagree, but its going to happen because it always does, it may take a month or 2 or 3-4 years but I can guarantee you will be able to buy the market cheaper in the years to come than you can today....just sit back and wait because the next correction will be just as great as the one in 2000 and 2008-2009......

    Opinion: You won’t know the bull market is over until the bear is here

    Published: Mar 24, 2015 6:01 a.m. ET



    Even market timers get taken by surprise

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    MARKHULBERT
    COLUMNIST

    CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Confident you’ll know it when this incredible bull market tops out?

    I doubt it.

    Actually, I’m confident you will have not a clue.

    Consider the stock market top that occurred 15 years ago this week. I am referring to the S&P 500’s SPX, +0.14% high on Mar. 24, 2000 — two weeks after the Nasdaq Composite’s COMP, +0.42% bull-market high. After adjusting for inflation, and even after reinvesting dividends along the way, the broad stock market took more than 13 years to make it back to its March 2000 high. That’s longer than the recovery time from all but one other bear market in U.S. history.

    In other words, the bear market that began on Mar. 24, 2000, was one of the very worst in history. If ever there was a time for stock market timers to acquit themselves, that was it.

    Care to guess how many of the stock-market timers then monitored by the Hulbert Financial Digest called that day’s top — in other words, timers who had been bullish up until that week and then went substantially to cash?

    Zero.



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    In contrast, there were a number of market timers who during that week increased their equity exposure. In fact, the average recommended equity exposure among monitored short-term stock market timers was at a multi-year high on the day the bull market ended. (See chart.)

    In short: There was nothing about the market’s behavior on Mar. 24, 2000 that suggested that a 13-year bear market was about to begin.

    I spent a depressing day earlier this week reviewing the comments made on or about Mar. 24, 2000, by any of the stock market gurus monitored by the Hulbert Financial Digest. Here’s a sampling of what they were telling their clients on that fateful day:

    • “All my work strongly suggests that for now the corrections in the NYSE and the NASDAQ are over and that the serious buyers will come in.” Bert Dohmen, Wellington Letter, 3/22/2000.
    • The market’s recent action “convinced us once again that the Internet stocks are alive and healthy.” Carlton & Timothy Lutts, Cabot’s Internet Stock of the Week, 3/27/2000.
    • “Our best bet is for a choppy to down market next week, but we would not anticipate a top of any real significance... We continue to look for higher prices well into the summer on the important indices.” Stephen Todd, 3/24/2000.
    • “The Internet will never stop growing, so stay fully invested in our recommended stocks.” Donald Rowe, Wall Street Digest, 3/24/2000.
    I could go on, but you get the point.

    This isn’t to say that there were no bears in late March 2000. Though they were in a small minority, there were a few. But they had also been bearish for some time, so we can’t say that they “called” the top.

    Let me hasten to add that there are good investment advisers out there. But what makes them good is not their predictions but their strategies for dealing with an uncertain future.

    So keep this in mind as you contemplate the eventual end of this bull market. Odds are overwhelming that you won’t know that a bear market was started until well after the fact.
     
    #5411     Mar 24, 2015
  2. S2007S

    S2007S


    That earlier 50 point drop was erased in a matter of minutes once those housing numbers came out, you would think on those housing numbers alone the fed would come in and do an emergency 1/4 point hike but nope, lets keep the free money train rolling, no need to stop all the fun just yet, keep feeding wall street what they want, zero interest rates foreverrrrrrr. oh and QE 4!!!!!
     
    #5412     Mar 24, 2015
  3. Just off the highs of the session crys CNBC.
     
    #5413     Mar 24, 2015
  4. LIKE I SAID GREAT ECONOMIC NUMBERS... TILL WE GET CLOSE TO THE NEXT FED MEETING.
     
    #5414     Mar 24, 2015
  5. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    Hats off to you if you still have those IWM puts. I have puked them.
     
    #5415     Mar 24, 2015
  6. Soros is out warning about Greece.
    Soros has to be buying.
    Long live the king.
     
    #5416     Mar 24, 2015
  7. S2007S

    S2007S

    APRIL 20TH they run out of money, but again who cares, its been the same thing over and over and over again, we all know the outcome before it even takes place, they will get more hand outs just like they did last time, no single country, no single economy or market or company can fail any more, the handouts are there and will be forever, there is absolutely no such thing as failure, only bailouts and free money....no such thing as free markets, remember that! There is no class room that can teach the ways of the new economy any more, throw your textbooks away and anything you have ever learned about economics 101 because in this new economy it doesn't exist...
     
    #5417     Mar 24, 2015
  8. S2007S

    S2007S

    Oh and check this out, a house, haha a house, how about a mega mansion with over 23,000 sqf of fun just sold, a mystery seller sold to a mystery buyer oooohhhhhh.....well aside from that what had me going was the amount it sold for in 2010 the amount they were asking and what it sold for...


    So here are the numbers....

    2010 sold for $12,200,000
    They were asking last year in 2014 $65,000,000
    Sold for $46,000,000

    Now think about this, sold for $12,200,000 in 2010 and JUST 5 short years later worth $46,000,000? $46,000,000????????

    Thats a whopping huge fucking increase of 277%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    a 277% increase in 5 years......over $33,000,000 increase in 5 years!

    This is all the QE and stimulus creating these insane gains in the housing market, most of the QE and stimulus BUBBLE ben bernanke pushed through has helped the 1%, heck even the top 10% of the earners in this country....with the 200% increase in the markets alone has increased the wealth of the millionaires and billionaires to record highs never seen before in our history, hasn't done much if anything for the lower income individuals unless you are one of the many who work at walmart or target and getting that increase in the minimum wage soon, that should have happened years ago, why it took so long is beyond me, they might be worried about wage inflation, ha.... But thats about it, no regular person has made out like the elite have with these tremendous gains in all asset classes the last 6 years....


    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102531181
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2015
    #5418     Mar 24, 2015
  9. hajimow

    hajimow

    Market is giving shiny clean signal of exhaustion and that it is time to sell and be on the sidelines and maybe short the market if you want to be more aggressive. It is not wise to be greedy and try to squeeze another 1% out of a market which has a 10 to 20% downside potential. You wont get bankrupt by taking profit. If you dont do it today, tomorrow you would want the market to come back to Tuesday (today's) level to sell and that might not happen and you will end up losing a lot of your profit or your initial investment. AAPL price action tells a lot about how big money thinks of risk reward.
     
    #5419     Mar 24, 2015
  10. If we close down, buy the close for the overnight drift up.
     
    #5420     Mar 24, 2015