You went full Harry Dent spaz mode with your posts today, almost the mirror opposite of what -v-shape-retard does at tops. Your posts were a signal the bottom was probably in Looks like 2025 is going to be like 2018 with S&P not being an official bear market, because it never closed down over 20%. And back to all time highs by the end of year...
I told that dude to calm the fuck down because the market will reverse. But he just won't listen. Ggrrr!
yea we are way over done, everything i have points long to 5500 on es, i would not want to be short over this weekend.
i was in 911 long and never figured out how or why the market went down when all but 2000 people in the us carried on day to day still buying products. took a long time to recover from 911, too stupid long. this anti-american liberal news has the market run down out of fear not sensibility. guess what people still going to buy products and get on with their life no matter what shit cnn spews... gpt You’re trying to figure out which had the worse aftermath for the S&P 500: the September 11, 2001 attacks or the recent tariff-driven market turmoil in 2025. I’ll compare the two based on S&P 500 performance, using the 9/11 data we’ve established and the latest real-time SPY data for the tariff aftermath as of April 9, 2025, 1:14 PM PDT. Since “tariff aftermath” isn’t tied to a single date, I’ll assume you mean the recent decline linked to Trump’s tariffs starting around April 2, 2025 (per web sources like Bloomberg and Newsweek), and measure from the recent peak to now. 9/11 Aftermath (September 2001) Timeframe: September 10, 2001 (close: 1,092.54) to September 21, 2001 (close: 965.80). Drop: 126.74 points, or 11.6%, over 5 trading days after markets reopened on September 17. Short-Term Peak-to-Trough: From its 2001 high of ~1,373 (March 2001) to the post-9/11 low of 965.80, it was down ~29.7%. The absolute bottom came later, at 768.83 (October 2002), a 44% drop from the pre-9/11 peak. Duration: The immediate 11.6% hit was rapid (1 week), with a broader bear market lasting into 2002, worsened by the dot-com bust and recession. Context: A geopolitical shock with $1.4 trillion in value lost (inflation-adjusted to ~$2.5 trillion today), per Investopedia. Recovery took months, with the S&P 500 back above 1,092 by late 2002. Tariff Aftermath (April 2025) Timeframe: Using SPY (S&P 500 ETF) from its recent peak of $576.00 (March 25, 2025) to today’s real-time price of $543.704 (April 9, 1:14 PM PDT). Drop: 576.00−543.704576.00×100≈5.61%\frac{576.00 - 543.704}{576.00} \times 100 \approx 5.61\%576.00576.00−543.704×100≈5.61% A 5.61% decline so far over ~15 days. Wider Window: From March 25 ($576.00) to April 8’s close ($490.5665), it fell 14.81%: 576.00−490.5665576.00×100≈14.81%\frac{576.00 - 490.5665}{576.00} \times 100 \approx 14.81\%576.00576.00−490.5665×100≈14.81% Today’s rally (up 9.54% from $496.48) pulls it back, but let’s take the trough at 14.81% as the “aftermath” peak-to-low. Year-High to Now: From $613.23 (2025 high) to $543.704, it’s down 11.29%: 613.23−543.704613.23×100≈11.29%\frac{613.23 - 543.704}{613.23} \times 100 \approx 11.29\%613.23613.23−543.704×100≈11.29% Context: Web sources (Bloomberg, NYT) report a 4.8% drop on April 3—the worst since June 2020—erasing $2.5 trillion in value, tied to Trump’s tariffs announced April 2. The 14.81% peak-to-trough reflects a correction (10%+), not yet a bear market (20%+). Head-to-Head Immediate Severity: 9/11: 11.6% in 5 days—sharp and sudden. Tariffs: 4.8% in 1 day (April 3), 14.81% over 2 weeks to April 8. The tariff drop is bigger over a slightly longer window, but 9/11’s pace was steeper. Peak-to-Trough: 9/11: 29.7% from March 2001 to September 21, 2001; 44% to October 2002. Tariffs: 14.81% from March 25 to April 8, or 11.29% from the year-high. So far, tariffs haven’t hit 9/11’s longer-term depth. Duration: 9/11: Weeks of immediate pain, years of broader decline (2001-2002). Tariffs: Ongoing as of April 9—today’s 9.54% SPY jump ($496.48 to $543.704) suggests volatility, not a settled aftermath. Too early to call the bottom. Economic Fallout: 9/11: $1.4 trillion lost (~$2.5 trillion today), plus a recession and wars costing trillions long-term (Investopedia). Tariffs: $2.5 trillion in one day (April 3), with X posts claiming up to 4x 9/11’s damage (unverified). Recession fears loom, but it’s not a structural collapse like 9/11. Which Was Worse? Short-Term (1-2 Weeks): The tariff aftermath’s 14.81% (March 25-April 8) edges out 9/11’s 11.6% in raw percentage, though 9/11’s speed (5 days) felt more brutal. Tariffs win slightly on magnitude so far. Long-Term: 9/11’s 44% drop to 2002 and multi-year recovery dwarf the tariff impact to date (14.81% max). If tariffs trigger a bear market (20%+), it could rival 9/11, but we’re not there yet. Final Call: As of now, 9/11’s aftermath was worse—deeper total decline, longer recovery, and broader economic scars. The tariff story’s still unfolding; today’s rally hints it might not sustain a “run down” to match 9/11’s scale.
Lets remember folks..... This market didn't rally on its own accord..this wasn't a classic bottom only because it was done with the help of Trump pausing for 90 days. If he had not come out with this rhetoric stocks would have once again sold off. They were weakening through mid morning....the vix was even showing signs of catapulting again so take this rally with a grain of sort. This is not the rally that will lead the markets to any new highs anytime soon. Anyone buying the last few days was handed a gift today.....take the gains and walk away... There will be more dip buying opportunities in the weeks ahead.
How much did you lose today? You said you were shorting more. Not here to pick a fight, but it will be VERY difficult to undo that massive weekly green candle. Not like it's going to give it back. And now you have completely engulfed last week's red. It just happens like magic. How on earth is it going to go back down?
I dont think your looking at this in more than a weekly frame. By Friday it will be back to ATH. We are in a very different situation now. It will never go further than the previous ATH in this environment. In fact..Once we get to the ATH (friday) the market will be looking at selling again. ''It will be seen as Over bought again'' in light of Trump's insanity. In Fact, Trump himself will start the selling by talking and spewing (monday?) Here and Now..we are in a ''sell the pop, sell the bounce, sell every orange man's speeches'' mode. Its kinda the opposite of V Shape market...its upside down /\ Shaped Market. And once there are higher stock values, the selling will be quite persistent. We now know the orange man is both a lunatic and will back down at every sell off. His enemies are now ''big sellers'' and their selling is the successful weapon that cancels his power.
I'm always short. But I have long positions as well. My biggest gain today were my 2 naked calls on UVIX. I didn't buy them back yet. Still holding onto to them. Once uvix breaks 40 I'm out. This Rally will fade.....the bottom hasn't come yet...