gotta laugh at the cnbc guys

Discussion in 'Trading' started by tivthetrader, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Locutus

    Locutus

    Don't worry. As a bear you can be happy because you have 100% certainty that all markets will eventually go to 0. The question is will you live to see it? :D
     
    #11     Feb 15, 2011
  2. We are living in fucked u times...


    Facebook and twitter can overthrow a government and a meme could drive a market.
     
    #12     Feb 15, 2011
  3. kashirin

    kashirin

    the system loses its sense then
    previously markets appreciated because dividend increase
    now S&P pays record low 1.7%. With record payouts and record margins there is just no room for dividend increase
    there is no sense to invest long term for dividends as they get smaller and smaller
    If noone invests longterm then probably someone buys short term. Right?
    If someone buys short term they should take profit. Right?
    As currently no shorts in the market, no sense to invest longterm and market consists only from short term speculators how long can it continue?
    Why it should continue?
    Insiders sell like crazy for a year and a half
    No matter what government does sooner or later speculators will have to take profit and this time crash will be even bigger than previous as most of the growth at least since August was manipulative

    any flaws in this logic?
     
    #13     Feb 15, 2011
  4. yes, that is the question that reverberates through my head as well. Only a machine or a buyer not using real money would continue to buy at the top and not want to book gains after a 100% move. i believe that the fed is buying via its agents to prop up the markets and constantly squeeze the shorts. No natural buyer would have not allowed a dip first somewhere during this run.
     
    #14     Feb 15, 2011
  5. The problem is you have Tacgnol with access to the discount window which means margin equity is unlimited.
     
    #15     Feb 15, 2011

  6. To 1st: bailing out banks goes back far before1990s.

    2nd: The last 20 years have had dividends far below historical norms, yet there were a good number of rising years within (biggest/ longest bull market in recent history occurred under this condition).

    In my experience, none of these things 'has' to happen; markets don't necessarily follow simple logic, rather, they tend to do the opposite. There are always a handful of good explanations in hindsight.
     
    #16     Feb 15, 2011
  7. I don't see any flaws in your logic, that pretty much mirrors my set of conclusions as well. We've seen record outflows for over a year (including ETF's), massive insider stock selling, very low volume on most days, etc, etc...

    Tiv is right, the Fed colludes with its agents to put a perpetual bid underneath the market. But I'd still argue that this has been the case for alot longer than the past 2 years, it's been going on, to a much smaller degree for years. The difference being there were more natural buyers in the previous bull runs, along with more shorting in the hedge fund biz, etc, etc...in other words, there was a semblance of a market even if it was supported at various junctures...

    This will end horrifically.
     
    #17     Feb 15, 2011
  8. its not that complicated

    strongest sectors that have moved this market are tech, oil, metals and mining

    minor ones are agriculture, financials, retail

    if you want some huge sell off then you need ALL of those to decline. However, that hasn't happened at all.

    Remember '2010 articles talked about how the correlation coefficient for stocks to spiders is at all time highs and stats people were calling for a reversion to mean? Thats probably whats happening right now. The market isn't tanking and only slowly grinding up because sectors are not moving in unison to the downside.

    Maybe it will happen, but theres good money to be made if you can figure out the movements in different sectors.
     
    #18     Feb 15, 2011
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I've explained this now on several threads. If someone is "propping" up this market, they are doing a horrible job. US markets are under performing big time vs other markets around the world. I think we are somewhere between 15th and 20th over the last 12 months. How do you explain that? Let me guess, the FED is buying index futures all over the world? Really? And they are buying up all the commodities? Really? And they are buying up all the stock? Really? Do you also believe the us gov't is hiding an alien body in Roswell, NM?

    Here are the return numbers for the last 12 months:

    Argentina 55%
    Singapore 54%
    Germany 37%
    Australia 37%
    Taiwan 36%
    South Africa 36%
    Peru 35%
    Canada 35%
    Chile 32%
    Sweden 31%
    Netherlands 29%

    USA 28%


    And year to date:

    Spain 16%
    Germany 12.5%
    Italy 11.5%
    Greece 11.0%
    France 10.0%
    Sweden 7.5%

    USA 5%
     
    #19     Feb 15, 2011
  10. bgp

    bgp

    NO, ALL THE CENTRAL BANKS ARE WORKING TOGETHER . :D

    BP
     
    #20     Feb 15, 2011