GOP: If evidence seems to contradict faith, suppress the evidence

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by walter4, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: November 23,2012
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/opinion/krugman-grand-old-planet.html


    Earlier this week, GQ magazine published an interview with Senator Marco Rubio, whom many consider a contender for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, in which Mr. Rubio was asked how old the earth is.

    After declaring "I'm not a scientist, man," the senator went into desperate evasive action, ending with the declaration that "it's one of the great mysteries."


    It's funny stuff, and conservatives would like us to forget about it as soon as possible. Hey, they say, he was just pandering to likely voters in the 2016 Republican primaries - a claim that for some reason is supposed to comfort us.

    But we shouldn't let go that easily. Reading Mr. Rubio's interview is like driving through a deeply eroded canyon; all at once, you can clearly see what lies below the superficial landscape. Like striated rock beds that speak of deep time, his inability to acknowledge scientific evidence speaks of the anti-rational mind-set that has taken over his political party.
    By the way, that question didn't come out of the blue. As speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, Mr. Rubio provided powerful aid to creationists trying to water down science education. In one interview, he compared the teaching of evolution to Communist indoctrination tactics - although he graciously added that "I'm not equating the evolution people with Fidel Castro." Gee, thanks.

    What was Mr. Rubio's complaint about science teaching? That it might undermine children's faith in what their parents told them to believe. And right there you have the modern G.O.P.'s attitude, not just toward biology, but toward everything: If evidence seems to contradict faith, suppress the evidence.

    The most obvious example other than evolution is man-made climate change. As the evidence for a warming planet becomes ever stronger - and ever scarier - the G.O.P. has buried deeper into denial, into assertions that the whole thing is a hoax concocted by a vast conspiracy of scientists. And this denial has been accompanied by frantic efforts to silence and punish anyone reporting the inconvenient facts.

    But the same phenomenon is visible in many other fields. The most recent demonstration came in the matter of election polls. Coming into the recent election, state-level polling clearly pointed to an Obama victory - yet more or less the whole Republican Party refused to acknowledge this reality. Instead, pundits and politicians alike fiercely denied the numbers and personally attacked anyone pointing out the obvious; the demonizing of The Times's Nate Silver, in particular, was remarkable to behold.

    What accounts for this pattern of denial? Earlier this year, the science writer Chris Mooney published "The Republican Brain," which was not, as you might think, a partisan screed. It was, instead, a survey of the now-extensive research linking political views to personality types. As Mr. Mooney showed, modern American conservatism is highly correlated with authoritarian inclinations - and authoritarians are strongly inclined to reject any evidence contradicting their prior beliefs. Today's Republicans cocoon themselves in an alternate reality defined by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and The Wall Street Journal's editorial page, and only on rare occasions - like on election night - encounter any hint that what they believe might not be true.

    And, no, it's not symmetric. Liberals, being human, often give in to wishful thinking - but not in the same systematic, all-encompassing way.

    Coming back to the age of the earth: Does it matter? No, says Mr. Rubio, pronouncing it "a dispute amongst theologians" - what about the geologists? - that has "has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States." But he couldn't be more wrong.
    We are, after all, living in an era when science plays a crucial economic role. How are we going to search effectively for natural resources if schools trying to teach modern geology must give equal time to claims that the world is only 6.000 years old? How are we going to stay competitive in biotechnology if biology classes avoid any material that might offend creationists?

    And then there's the matter of using evidence to shape economic policy. You may have read about the recent study from the Congressional Research Service finding no empirical support for the dogma that cutting taxes on the wealthy leads to higher economic growth. How did Republicans respond? By suppressing the report. On economics, as in hard science, modern conservatives don't want to hear anything challenging their preconceptions - and they don't want anyone else to hear about it, either.

    So don't shrug off Mr. Rubio's awkward moment. His inability to deal with geological evidence was symptomatic of a much broader problem - one that may, in the end, set America on a path of inexorable decline.
     
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  3. .....in which Mr. Rubio was asked how old the earth is.

    After declaring "I'm not a scientist, man,"


    Uhmnnn. okay, another question..

    "When did the elephant get its trunk?"

    :D lmao.
     
  4. pretending evolution and AGW are on the same footing is hilarious.

    I got news for you no rational person believes AgW is an issue and the solution is quite simple(scientifically) even if it is.
     
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    The planet's nations have made their calls re the gold standard and central banking.
     
  6. And this they will deny until they die off.
     
  7. Yup, the GOP are actually proud of their ignorance. Ignoring things that conflict with what they think they know, or that may cut into profits, is a viable strategy for them.


    "Guns have little or nothing to do with juvenile violence. The causes of youth violence are working parents who put their kids into daycare, the teaching of evolution in the schools, and working mothers who take birth control pills." –Tom DeLay, on causes of the Columbine High School massacre, 1999
     
  8. What?

    Great example of the ignorance right there. They certainly are on the same footing and only a fool would think they are not, or that GW is not a very serious issue.
     
  9. I think I am going to post this each and every time a winger says something stupid on this board.

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  10. "On February 19, 2008, the Florida board of education passed new statewide science standards likely to leapfrog the state from last place in national assessments to the head of the class. Passing these standards was not easy, and even now, forces in Florida are working to undermine the state's new standards."

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    "Among those speaking for the standards were Jonathan Smith of Florida Citizens for Science, writing committee members Debra Walker and Gerry Meisels, Joseph Travis (the Dean of Arts and Sciences at Florida State University), and Nobel laureate Sir Harold Kroto, who also composed an op-ed for the Ft Myers News-Press (2008 Feb 16), in which he praised the medical benefits derived from evolutionary biology, and worried that if anti-evolution forces prevailed, "they will seriously impede the ability of the next cohort of young scientists to create the defenses we shall need in the fight against debilitating diseases over the next century."


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    "The revisions, in any case, were obviously not enough to satisfy Florida's creationists, including board member Donna Callaway, who pressed for the so-called academic freedom amendment. The next fight may be in the state legislature: Florida House of Representatives Speaker Marco Rubio (R–District 111) told the Florida Baptist Witness (2008 Feb 21) that he thought that the House would be receptive to legislation revising the standards along the lines proposed by Callaway."



    http://ncse.com/rncse/28/2/evolution-comes-to-floridas-science-standards
     
    #10     Nov 24, 2012