I don't want a civil war either. I want a government that represents the best interests of the people. They don't! They represent themselves, and a very small group of corporate terrorists hell bent on the dismantling of the working class to the point of slavery...on a global scale. When you recognize that Palin is no more, or less dangerous than Obama, you'll see it for what it is. Neither are remotely qualified, have zero leadership skills, and are mere puppets for those that call the shots. We have a congress full of O'Donnell's and Angle's. Their names happen to be Reid and Pelosi. Other than the names, there's no difference. All a criminally corrupt, completely incompentent, intent on one thing and one thing only, their politcal careers. It's a good old boys club and they aren't going to give up their memberships voluntarily.
what youre referring to here is not civil war, but a coup d'état. particularly a Guardian coup d'état. From Wikipedia: Guardian coup d'état: the "musical chairs" coup d'état. The stated aim of such a coup is usually improving public order, efficiency, and ending corruption. There usually is no fundamental change to the power structure. Generally, the leaders portray their actions as a temporary and unfortunate necessity. An early example is the coup d'état by consul Sulla, in 88 B.C., against supporters of Marius in Rome, after the latter attempted to strip him of a military command. A contemporary instance is the civilian Prime Minister of Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's overthrow by Chief of Army Staff General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in 1977, who cited widespread civil disorder and impending civil war as his justification. In 1999, General Pervez Musharraf overthrew Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on the same grounds. Nations with guardian coups can frequently shift back and forth between civilian and military governments. Example countries include Argentina (1930 to 1983), Pakistan, Turkey(1978 and 1980), and Thailand. A bloodless coup usually arises from the Guardian coup d'état.
A coup would quickly become a Civil War. What is that like? Take a look (this should remove any romantic notions you guys advocating this stuff have. Or not. One never knows around here): "Old Stoke" Versus "Old Stout"
It's utterly ridiculous, as well, in a republic to talk about pols not giving up their places voluntarily. That's the whole point of elections. I can't believe we have people advocating that we become like Pakistan or Argentina. Nutcases.
I hate to break this to you, but elections and your vote are meaningless. Doesn't matter who gets elected, they're all cut from the same mold. I know you don't want to accept this, but other than having darker skin and a better command of the english language, Obama and Bush are pretty much the same guy, as are they all. It's the power which they won't give up. Should it be their turn to "lose", corporate America is waiting with open arms with final payment for services rendered.
WOW......just sit back and WAIT for some "moderate and acceptable" candidates? Hows that working out for you? The U.S. is now in a full tilt financial grid take down thanks to central banks (TRILLIONS gone and debt piling on by the minute to the U.S. taxpayer). Also, in Lincoln's day he did not have Globalist Wealth Entities factions entangled into all levels of govt agencies (DoD, CIA, FBI, DHS, FEMA, Treasury, Congress, etc, etc , etc). Lincoln also did not have the heinous structure of centralized banking manipulating every economic turn or RUNNING Treasury from down the street (HUGE difference)! In Lincoln's time the U.S. Citizenry was not "controlled" by a technology grid that is rapidly expanding......CCTV's, electronic financial transactions, electronic records, gun registration, unwarranted wire tapping, TSA full naked body scanners at the airport, position tracking for toll road use, RFID passports, biometric scanning for ID's, over 15 years of blood samples of ALL children born in US for DNA global database, etc, etc, etc. In Lincoln's time the U.S. Citizenry was not financially compromised by excessive debt instruments, they were not financially entrapped having both ma and pa working 2 to 3 jobs to make ends meet. The citizenry was not eating disgusting foods full of dangerous synthetic compounds, drinking chemically altered local tap water, or addicted to frequently harmful prescription drugs (see all those lawyer ads every day.....sheeeesh!!!!!!!). The citizenry at that time was not distracted with corporatized ipods, porn, or brain dead flicker rate controlled TV (for the timid and docile mind numbed automaton masses). Things are very very different now for the U.S. Citizenry who are under a "directed" asymmetrical assault on their well being, AND their last grips of control over THEIR government. We are WAY BEYOND sitting back and waiting for some "acceptable" moderate candidates......WAY BEYOND! :eek:
That's just an excuse for laziness. Ron Paul doesn't sit around complaining, and on the other side neither does Russ Feingold. If you think there's no difference between these two, it's not their fault.
And for all that they stand for, what have they accomplished? Taken from an article about Ron Paul:http://www.newsli.com/2007/12/06/presidential-candidate-ron-paul-bears-an-empty-pot-for-americans/ Ron Paul, like Ling, is a great truth-teller. His voting record is one of the most consistent this writer has ever seen. No flip-flops are to be found. As well, he is a courageous and wise man, and a heck of an economist. Just ask the Wall Streeters. However, he bears to his fellow countrymen (and countrywomen), an empty pot. He canât claim to have brought you wars or higher taxes, which we now have. He never brought you an unbalanced budget, which is a perennial joke. He never voted himself a wage increase and, to this day, gives back part of his salary every year. He has always voted to preserve the Constitution, cut government spending, lower healthcare costs, end the war on drugs, secure our borders with immigration reform and protect our civil liberties. Sorrowfully, he was outvoted or shot down on all measures. The Constitution has been chiseled down, government spending is through the roof, healthcare costs are out of control, the war on drugs keeps getting less effective, immigration issues remain unresolved and our civil liberties have been crimped for our own safety. And there's Mr. Feingold: He has worked tirelessly for financial reforms in Washington. He works to limit big money lobbyists who seek to influence legislation. Being ever conscious of budgets, he has not accepted pay raises in each of his terms in office and returns a part of his office budget each year. I am impressed that Feingold travels the state attending forums to listen to citizen concerns. These sessions have influenced his legislation. He has introduced bills that have helped families by raising the minimum wage. He supports the Family and Medical Leave Act. He is a cosponsor of Protecting Americaâs Workers Act, which provides increased penalties for willful workplace violations, protects whistleblowers and ensures that employees are given proper protective equipment. He supported expanding the child tax credit to all working families. Feingold fights against unfair trade deals that hurt Wisconsin and cost us jobs. He introduced the minimum trade standards resolution, which includes standards for worker protections, and imported food safety standards among others. He is an original cosponsor of the TRADE Act which allows the U.S. to review and renegotiate trade agreements. And let's not forget the McCainâFeingold Act. Lot's of good that did. You getting my point yet? For all their high minded idealogy, what have they accomplished? Nothing! Is government better, less corrupt, more efficient...? NO it's not. In fact it's more corrupt than ever. The fact that the major players let a couple of guys like Paul and Feingold rant and rave is a distraction from the reality, which is, a couple guys ranting and raving doesn't change a thing, even if those guys are on the inside. It' will take more, much more. The entire system needs to be overhauled and it won't happen peacefully. They won't let it!
...and Reagan was in danger of becoming another Harold Stassen when suddenly, he got the nomination and became President. In life, anything can happen.
so says you. does not make it a fact. besides, if there is a better peace to be found on the other side of war, then i would rather go through it.