GOOG - Yay or Nay

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by The Kin, Jul 21, 2005.

GOOG's earnings?

Poll closed Jul 22, 2005.
  1. Yay - GOOG will exceed earnings

    16 vote(s)
    47.1%
  2. GOOG will meet earniungs

    5 vote(s)
    14.7%
  3. Nay - GOOG will miss earnings

    5 vote(s)
    14.7%
  4. I don't care / Pointless Thread / I don't know / etc...

    8 vote(s)
    23.5%

  1. Long^1 GOOG Aug 280C
    Short^2 GOOG Aug 310C

    You're buying a stock-proxy in the long calls, while selling the peak of the gamma-curve by selling the 310C. The gamma in the atm options do nothing but get cheaper as they slide down the curvature.

    That trade is a 3-bagger at $295 with significant upside if we rally a bit from here. Best-case at expiration is a close at the short-strike.
     
    #51     Jul 21, 2005
  2. I probably should have looked into that one. Like many, I tend to avoid deep ITM's because of the slippage. You seem to know a little about my background, but I should add that after ten years of trading equities, I only got into options half a year ago. So you're alot more experienced on this subject, and I'm listening...
     
    #52     Jul 21, 2005
  3. Our mutual friend, JC from Jersey, is your biggest fan and fellow poker-junky. He used to talk about you quite a bit. That, and I remembered we share a similar political-view.

    Read Natenberg and Baird. Try to sell atms and buy wing-strikes[natural butterflies] to keep the gamma[curvature] working for you. That's really all there is to it. The position-permutations come with time.

    There is a lot of interest in GOOG front-month strikes out a couple sigmas. I didn't look at the market in the 280s today, but it was $.50-wide when I did the ratio.
     
    #53     Jul 21, 2005
  4. Cool. The margin required on each 2-1 backspread in this case is over $10,000, right?
     
    #54     Jul 21, 2005
  5. The haircut:

    Long call spread debit + variation req on 1 naked short call.
     
    #55     Jul 21, 2005
  6. The more I think about it, the more I like your backspread better than my simple short deep OTM calls. It's well positioned for the anticipated IV drop. A 9% gap up like last time though, and you'd lose about $1,000 per backspread, if I'm figuring it correctly.
     
    #56     Jul 21, 2005
  7. You're short vol in either case, but with the backspread you can be paid many multiples of your debit. Payoff of nearly 7x with nearly equiv gammas.

    Yeah, a $28 move in the stock results in a $1000 loss. But very favorable when accounting for r/r.
     
    #57     Jul 21, 2005
  8. I'll be paying attention to how your position fares tommorow morning. Isn't saying "paid many multiples of your debit" a bit misleading though? Unlike a regular spread, your debit is not the total amount at risk, nor is it anywhere close to the margin required.
     
    #58     Jul 21, 2005
  9. Right, obviously I am referring to using static pricing with the benefit of hindsight. The risk/reward was symmetrical at 2 sigmas +/-; which is the important criteria, IMO. But certainly it was risking a couple multiples of the debit of we were trading 10% higher.
     
    #59     Jul 21, 2005
  10. The 280/310C short backspread is trading $11.00 to the buy.
     
    #60     Jul 22, 2005