GOOG Oct strangle on the 18th, close the 19th.

Discussion in 'Options' started by forex-forex, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. RL8093

    RL8093

    Very true but it's going to take some amazing overnight revelations to overcome the IV crush...

    Looks like this time the roulette wheel picked the strangle sellers ...

    R
     
    #41     Oct 18, 2007
  2. + 5% or - 8%
     
    #42     Oct 18, 2007
  3. i don't know how much hope you have
    i'd salvage whatever i could at the open.

    But seriously, the mkt is entirely waiting on what the analysts do. If someone like Amtech says hiring practices and increased margin pressure cap the stock near term, you could get a 30 pt move tomorrow.

    Just don't forget the January 07 earnings move... Good #s, the stock moved from 505 to 480-486 settle in postmarket, then in the morning gapped to 518 in premarket, then fell off a cliff to close 480.

    At this point you better pray someone sold a straddle far out of the $$$.

    personally for me I'm hoping for a selloff. I bought 1 +640/-630 oct put vertical, and 3 +600/-570 put verticals near the close. Took a gamble. Likely even if we get a mild selloff, I'm in the red.

    If you want something to dream for, look at the SPWR chart today. That was an earnings response.
     
    #43     Oct 18, 2007
  4. ????????
     
    #44     Oct 18, 2007
  5. you know.. I-banks conspiring and selling straddles together, then cooperating to pin the stock into a profitable zone for the straddle.

    typical trading options manipulation theory talk.
     
    #45     Oct 18, 2007
  6. I don't believe in "trading option manipulation" or in the "maximum pain" theory.
     
    #46     Oct 18, 2007
  7. It does exist at times. In particular with stocks such as goog, where often options are traded more than the outright stock (due to high stock price and low options price due to low vol, better allocation of cash).


    But judging by the price action this past month, if I had to guess, we get a 640 close tommorow or a 620 close (second guess). 570 is the third guess, but that seems impossible considering the earnings were so good. [damn, looking back i should've bought butterflies...]
     
    #47     Oct 18, 2007
  8. sold 680 / 690 / 700 calls

    sold 570 2x / 580 puts

    +10.50 about per unit

    volitility around 98.6

    saw it trade as high as 102.35...

    we'll see tommorrow
     
    #48     Oct 18, 2007
  9. Yesterday, I opened up an iron butterfly (B 630P S640P S640C B650C) for close to 9, thinking that GOOG would not move too much, or if it did, it would be backing and filling close to the short strikes. I was okay with the risk/reward of 1 vs. 9. Don't ask how many contracts. LOL

    In extended hours, I thought the non-movement was too good to be true. Jackpot, I thought? No, I know better. LOL

    However, this morning, with the underlying going over 658, going barely under 650, it seemed I better close this thing out - just over 8.

    Of course, 5 minutes later, I could have closed it for the low to mid 6s!!! A profit is a profit but I'm definitely no prophet.

    AZD

    Spin, are you still there? Pizza is on me.
     
    #49     Oct 19, 2007
  10. wenzi

    wenzi

    Maybe a break from options for a while. Take a break and do some reading. IV crush is a thing you really need to understand.
     
    #50     Oct 19, 2007