Simply for those who have daytraded both the ES mini's and stocks. I'd love to find out which you feel is the easier (or better) of the two. Why i've blown up and why I feel the ES is better for beginners. ( I was profitable on ES). 1. With the ES mini's there's 1 thing to watch...the ES. Stocks you can pick and choose hundreds. Not to mention even if you do trade a handful, they all act completely different (those of you who understand them know what that means) 2. Liquidity. How the hell do you fix a stop on this shit? Spreads can move all over the place. 3. Price....you're trading different price levels on stocks. $10-200 you're going to need to adjust for size, volatility, and liquidity. Have fun. 4. Order entry. Where are you going to buy? Ask, Bid, or between the spread. 5. False breaks. Due to lack of liquidity you're going to see some excitement. The reason I bring this up is because I have personally never had such a problem. I've been here for 9 years and I've swing-traded stocks (pennies and listed), traded options (profitably), and the ES (marginally profitably). I've developed and am now using a dual moving average system trading everything except for pennies and as far as I'm concerned it's worked great. In addition, i've developed a fundamental system for investing as well. HOWEVER I will blow up any account that involves daytrading stocks. I can go on with this, but I'd love to know if I'm the only one who feels this way.