Goldman's Cohen Sees S&P 500 Rising 14% by 2008's End

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ASusilovic, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s Chief Investment Strategist Abby Joseph Cohen said the Standard & Poor's 500 Index will rise 14 percent by the end of next year to a record 1,675 ``as recession fears fade.''

    ``U.S. stocks will offer moderate gains and will dramatically outperform bonds over a 12-month horizon,'' New York-based Cohen wrote in a report today. ``Recession will likely be avoided, due to strength in exports and capital spending by corporations and governments, and thanks to a vigilant and flexible Federal Reserve.''

    Cohen was among the most bullish Wall Street strategists tracked by Bloomberg News with her estimate that the S&P 500 would surge to 1,600 by the end of 2007. Eight of 11 forecasters last month called for the benchmark for American equities to stage the biggest year-end rally since 1971. From yesterday's close, the measure would have to rise 8.7 percent to get there.

    ``Ongoing stresses'' on earnings stemming from turmoil in the financial system may be compensated by a ``competitive'' dollar, strong U.S. labor productivity and ``the favorable condition of corporate balance sheets,'' the strategist wrote.

    I think, Abby Cohen and Jan Hatzius should meet and discuss together their macroeconomic outlook. As far as I can judge it´s inconsistent BS !
  2. Daal


    how much of goldman's earnings is derived globaly?
  3. Two questions:

    1) Has Blabby Cohen ever issued a negative market forecast?

    2) Has she ever been right?

    'nuff said
  4. If you go off a woman's investment advice, something's wrong with you. Men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women
  5. bgp


    so what . how accurate has she been since 1987 ?

  6. Abby told us to buy in 2000 and the DOW would hit 14000 within a year.

    Everybody get rich by 2001??
  7. Daal


    well she did
  8. Stumbled across this earlier, Fed Cuts Rate -- What will the Stock Market Do Now?


    --The S&P 500 was 27.31% higher one year after the first Fed rate cut in July of 1986.

    --The S&P 500 was 18.67% higher one year after the first Fed rate cut in July of 1995.

    --The S&P 500 was 20.91% higher one year after the first Fed rate cut in Sept 1998.

    --The S&P 500 was 13.52% lower one year after the first Fed rate cut in Jan 2001.


    Of the 4 prior rate cut periods, 3 were up double digits. Its not a bad bet to say next year will be up double digits.
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  10. cd23


    Its probably time for a few people to introduce others to the distaff side of Abby Joe's views.

    She is probably one of those people who thinks trading is like playing poker, too.

    In reality, no one changes her (lol) mind as a consequence of an input that pops up in the mindst of what its nice to hear anyway.

    I wanted to narrow the audience as much as possible.

    So here we sit in a place that has never occurred before, except once. Then, at that time, a lot of changes were made and a lot of new things came into being.

    Nation, as Colbert would say, its time for br'er rabbit to listen to the tar baby.

    Lets start with where you sit.

    Three things which won't let you give up you mortgage are:

    poor health, marital troubles and losing your job. Neither will the fact that your home value has fallen below your mortgage value.

    In California, and now other places being added to the list, 85% of home mortgages are non conforming.

    So lets look at the primary lenders. Do you know what the word "fucked" means? The toilet roll of commercial paper and medium term loans evaporated. Primary lenders use secondary lenders and they, the secondary lenders, have 50% of their stuff in the form of frozen securitized instruments invented by quants in such bad shape (100% of it) that it cannot even be marked to market. Not being able to mark to market is a new and unimproved condition in the financial industry and it is not restricted to secondary instruments as we will find out when the regs kick in.

    Primary lenders who have 85% of non conforming loans and no secondary market just aren't doing any business. there is no originating and selling going on in the secondary markets either.

    Abby Jo needs to look over her shoulder and see where the empty desks are.

    This all started in about 01JUN06 by my market records.

    To reverse this we need a few things. Stop building homes. Drop the doubled present home inventory to 1/4 of what it is today. Oh drop prices of homes by around 25% of the peak that happened a while back. This drop in price didn't work however. Go further.

    Housing>>>>>building materials>>>>>labor>>>>indirect and induced changes add up to about 7 times the primary functions.

    When this happened once before, the executive branch proposed and the Congress approved the invention of life as we know it today. You all know the story, maybe. HUD, F and F, FHA, the Civilian Conservation Corps. In a mere 15 years and WWII helping out; only one generation took the pipe, as they said.

    The financial industry really screwed this one up and we are now in a global economy. GS is working that turf. But foreign money is not gong to buy into this one as we have seen since about 3 months after 01JUN06. The US housing market, industry and secondary financing is capute. a 20% reset is required to make it work and it is running at 1% rest now.

    You can skip fed rate going to 3.75. You can skip chapter 13 cram downs. You can forget RTC type funds (3, 6 and 9 mos). You can forget liquidity in the secondary markets. (All commission based stuff by the way; these people are long gone into making money somewhere else)

    So how does it look for the executive branch inventing a new and improved way out of this. Bickering is not what made 1934 great. Work and sweat made it great.

    Nation, we need to get ready to make money. Its not time to play poker.

    Poker is not analogous to the markets. You can't bet to win on a losing hand ( A short trade so to speak). Folding is not a strategy for trading; never was. How do you get out of the long bias of playing poker once and for all?

    Abby Jo and her buddies announced that they were all shook up about July and August for some reason or other. Swan poop.

    From today on, we all get to play markets that are unfolding in a manner that is new. There is no fix coming into play for a while. Fanny and Freds and FHA guarantees are not going to handle it; only a new invention is.

    The economy is cracked.

    Since the markets are not the long biased poker game of the financial industries talking heads, how does one capture the orientation to make the money that is being put out there?

    A bad market is not a down market. An up market is not a good market.

    Obviously, a lot of people in a lot of sectors of the financial industry are fucked. lol. But after all a lot of the industry is a zero sum game.

    We are headed for a time when the newbie population is going to disappear. Nation, this great election coming up is going to ascerbate the financial industry in a lot of ways.

    A neutral bias is called for. Look at Maria on the 27th of FEB. Look at all of those talking heads.

    Yesterday a feed was lost by some folks. It was "down"; I made a joke out of it elsewhere by presuming the guy was talking about a "down" market. I suggest turning the monitor upsidedown and switching buys and sells.

    Thats what the current and unique situation (the only prior time was cured by inventions; this time quants invented first and now we have the problem which GS is runningaway from) represents. You are going to have to be able to turn your monitors upsidedown and lose the poker playing long bias orientation.

    Why aren't there any good inventions on the horizon??? Securitization was too easy and a bad fix in the 80's.

    What is coming up for people who recognize the counterintuitive nature of the markets is the greatest opportunity of a lifetime.

    Question number 1!!!!!

    Was February 27 the greatest day of your trading life?

    Question number 2!!!!!!!

    Did you trade the volatility in August that went from 30 to 40 to 50 (ES high/Low) on three consecutive days in August?

    Question number 3!!!!!!

    When reardon was upsidedown and Nitro was blowing out, how did you do on the 3 point range that was the am on 12DEC06? (No hedgie now reardon just stay in cash.)

    Get to neutral bias ASAP. Make sure any edge you are using is neutral biased. Not short. And no longer just long. lol
    #10     Dec 4, 2007