Gold trading on NYMEX

Discussion in 'Metal Futures' started by GeorgeSoros, Mar 19, 2002.

  1. Hello,

    I have started studying Gold GC contract on NYMEX.

    I before studied Gold Kilo and Mini Gold on CBOT but unfortunately the volume is too low and the spread is quite large
    on mini Gold.

    It seems difficult to get access to NYMEX (I use Patsystem
    JTRADER). Are other traders here trading Gold using JTRADER or
    other platforms?

    What kind of fees per contract are you paying for Gold?

    Thanks
     
  2. Yaz

    Yaz

    Are you anticipating somehow short-term trading the big or small gold contract? Don't do it - very illiquid. If you want to make money in gold futures, figure on using some kind of trend-following method, because otherwise you'll get chopped to pieces. And don't use market orders! Put in a buy (or sell) stop or limit order and let yourself get "stopped" into the position.

    I'm not sure of the details, but you probably won't be able to use Jtrader to put on a Nymex position....see if your broker has a second system to put on standard commodity contracts. For instance, at my broker, Jtrader is for the daytrader types...but they have something called RAN, which I've played around on, which is a standard internet-order system...with a menu of the various commodity contracts offered.
     
  3. matthew

    matthew

    George,

    You won't be able to use PATS to trade the large contract as it's pit traded, and PATS only trades the all electronic markets. You'll need to find another avenue into the market such as another platform or calling the orders in.

    A comment was made that you shouldn't use market orders, and this is definitely true for orders of 50-100 contracts and up. For these orders, I would use limit orders, or call the trading pit and ask for the bid and offer and the 'size' (how many contracts are up on the bid or offer). Or you could break the order up by timing, I find that most times the pit can soak up 50 contracts every 45 seconds or so without significantly affecting the market, at least for the 1st few hundred. If you do this, I would recommend doing so by phone so the clerk or your floor broker can tell you if pit conditions suddenly change.

    Matthew Shelley (broker)

    Futures and options trading involves substantial risk. Information is obtained from sources believed to be reliable and is in no way guaranteed.
     
  4. matthew

    matthew

    Sorry about the double signature, I forgot about the automatic one.

    Matt
     
  5. Matthew,

    My broker told me PATS was able to give access to
    NYMEX Gold for both pit & NYMEX Access. I had some doubts
    and that is why I started this link.

    Are you a REFCO Broker?

    If so which platform out of the many REFCO available platforms
    do you recommend?

    I was thinking about Refco e (for PMBe platform) but it seems
    also it is quite limited (platform is not working 24h per day)

    I really want a solution where I can trade Gold Futures both
    premarket (the NYMEX Access) and during pit hours. If possible
    the same platform would do both...
     
  6. matthew

    matthew

    George,

    PATS does have a point to point feature that allows a broker to connect to a pit guy with a terminal, but you'll have to talk to your broker about whether he has this type of connection, and with who.

    I'm not a Refco broker, but I'll talk to some of my buddies who are and try to get an answer for you. Give me a couple of hours to get through the market openings.

    Matthew Shelley (broker)

    Futures and options trading involves substantial risk. Information is obtained from sources believed to be reliable and is in no way guaranteed.
     
  7. There are 2 webbased systems you can look at,
    maybe other brokers use them with a different name
    (Lind-Connect = RefcoExpress, for instance)

    www.refcolive.com
    www.refcoexpress.com

    The second can be used as demo.
    1) Go to Trading Login
    2) Then hit Interactive Demo
     
  8. hi guys!

    i just had a look on the second refco platform (demo), just because i was interested.
    all i can say: the traders utilizing this thing must have
    a real pain in the a** - only my personal opinion.
    i tried to create a test order, got various error msgs, best
    of all was "ERROR! OrderAcceptance -- Error: No one to review order".
    if this would be my only electronic order entry alternative, i would look for some other contract to trade with, or enter orders by phone (which of course can get costly for smaller retail customers).
     
  9. wild

    wild

    shouldn´t be a major problem ... most brokerages offer free 0800 numbers.

    regards

    wild
     
  10. #10     Mar 20, 2002