Gold and aggregate demand.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by morganist, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. Then short it. But keep in mind:

    Central Banks are now net buyers of gold.

    There's a reason for that.

    If you want to bet against the house - good luck.
     
    #21     Jun 10, 2011
  2. sle

    sle

    As opposed to a guy who bought 1 ounce of gold in 1980 for $800/ounce and in 1985 the gold is worth $300?

    Anyway, if you do some real historical analysis, gold has been a pretty lousy store of value. Simple test - lets take workers compensation (skilled/manufacturing labor per hour) and see how many hours a worker would have to work to buy an ounce of gold:
    Year Gold (US$/oz) Hourly Wage (US$) Hours To Buy 1oz
    1800 19.39 0.04 485
    1825 19.39 0.05 388
    1850 20.67 0.06 345
    1875 23.75 0.12 198
    1900 20.67 0.14 148
    1925 20.67 0.5 41
    1950 35 1.55 23
    1975 161.49 6.02 27
    2000 280.1 19.36 14
    2010 1270 26.79 47

    Labor cost, in general, is the best indicator of inflation and gold did not do too hot as an inflation hedge over that period. You could do other tests (check gold vs CPI, gold vs real estate prices etc) and the results come out the same.

    So, my conclusions are (a) gold is an instrument just like any other and (b) while it has it's uses against currency debasement, it could easily fail.
     
    #22     Jun 10, 2011
  3. It makes very little sense to own gold, although it does have its advantages.
     
    #23     Jun 10, 2011
  4. Rumblefish

    Rumblefish Guest

    USD was a very very very strong currency since world war 2

    many fiat currencies have become obsolete currencies.

    Preserving the 'value of the currency' is the job of the central bank and the central banks mandate.

    you have to understand that fiat money is just paper.




     
    #24     Jun 10, 2011
  5. Huh? What does USD have to do with hourly wage/price of gold?

    Think about what sle said a bit, I'm sure you'll figure it out.
     
    #25     Jun 10, 2011
  6. sle

    sle

    Not true. Since 1970 (the index inception), DXY has lost (with a shortish bumps in the 80s and late 90s) about 40% of it's value. You could, if you want, use synthetic DXY do the same analysis over the last 60 years to reach similar conclusions.
     
    #26     Jun 10, 2011
  7. Whether or not payments in gold is recognized by governments is irrelevant. What you're describing is an asset. Technically, I can sell my house for "legal tender", and then pay my bills with it. Does that make my house a currency? Surely you are smart enough to figure this out.

    A currency is a medium of exchange. Gold is not currently a medium of exchange. Go try to negotiate with someone an exchange of goods/services for a set amount of gold. They will tell you you are nuts.
     
    #27     Jun 10, 2011
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    T007;
    Well thats an easy pop quiz;
    Dave [FOX ]Ramsey doesnt like it also.So as i wrote some time ago;
    i guess gold will have to trend without them.Not a prediction.

    Frankly i like gold & silver & farmland.....................;
    & since most of us will never buy ''all the framland in the US'',
    flood /drought/hail never hurt gold much, plenty of farmers get flooded:D

    XOM does have a nice dividend /yield

    :D
     
    #28     Jun 10, 2011
  9. Larson

    Larson Guest


    Why do Central Banks still hold gold in their reserves, if there is not a currency component? Gold has been used as money for thousands of years, even though today's fiat system bars it from being used as legal tender.
     
    #29     Jun 11, 2011
  10. morganist

    morganist Guest

    Yeah. It is like the currency behind the currency. Or the value. In England on our notes there is a strip of metal to denote value. It is not full value but it indicates the backing of the reserve. Promisary notes are currency because they are easy to use. However the value and security of the promisary note comes from the reserve in most cases gold or stirling.
     
    #30     Jun 11, 2011