Gold and aggregate demand.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by morganist, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. Larson

    Larson Guest

    Who says they aren't? Get currency markets back to some semblance of order and your so-called bubble will end. What is a gold bug exactly?
     
    #11     Jun 10, 2011
  2. What old wore out argument? You said gold is a currency in times like these. Gold isn't a currency. Gold is an asset. I can't pay my bills in gold coins.
     
    #12     Jun 10, 2011
  3. Hi,

    You state:

    "The recent default on sovereign debt in the Eurozone in particular Greece is evidential of future debt repayment required."

    AFAIK Greece has not defaulted on its debt. It has received loans from IMF and EU that essentially transform bond payments to loan debt.

    Then you state:

    "As precious metals are a hedge against currency devaluation and debt repayment create inflation foreign countries are change their reserves pushing precious metal prices up."

    Gold can do no good to exporting countries like China. They will not distribute gold to their citizens and they will not be paid in gold for exporting good to US and elsewhere. The objective of China is to keep industrial production going and averting the possibility of instability, social and economic. This can be done by accepting any form of currency the trading partners will offer. Exchanging that currency for gold will make things worse for China because the trade will shrink.

    Therefore, it is to the best interest of the Chinese to keep gold prices low rather than to fuel a further rise. IF they do not understand that I would not be surprised. Chinese officials have often demonstrated an unprecedented misunderstanding of economics and how they affect international trade. Further rise in gold, as you say, has the possibility of bringing China back to where it was in 2002 in terms of a trade deficit with the US.
     
    #13     Jun 10, 2011
  4. Larson

    Larson Guest

    So now you are speaking in terms of "legal tender" recognized by gov'ts. Is that what you are saying? Gold is easily converted to whatever currency you want to exchange it for. Then pay your bills with the" legal tender." The currency component is what makes it rise and fall opposed to fiat which has governmental liability attached to it. Gold has no liability attached. Surely you people are smart enough to figure this out for yourselves without parroting Wall St. and Buffet, unless you have a vested interest in a certain market(s).
     
    #14     Jun 10, 2011
  5. Rumblefish

    Rumblefish Guest

    #15     Jun 10, 2011
  6. morganist

    morganist Guest

    Greece did default. A default is when the arrange payment system fails. SDRM is default.

    China has urged people to buy gold as an investment. They can use it like a currency because it has a value and cannot be faked.
     
    #16     Jun 10, 2011
  7. Greece has not entered into SDRM. Your information is wrong. Greek bond payments are carried as usual. There is only talk about restructuring. I propose to you to check your sources.

    China will be in a lot of trouble in a few years because of their failure to understand that an exporting country cannot force others to sustain high trade deficits for long. Overcapacity will have to be reduced down with severe consequences.
     
    #17     Jun 10, 2011
  8. +1

    Not only that. If gold starts been used as a currency, it will be subject to the same inflation pressures. The only reasons it has, it has occasionally being used as an inflation hedge was because of the presence of fiat currencies.

    This is one reason that a gold beg does not and will never work. There is no free lunch with inflation.
     
    #18     Jun 10, 2011
  9. Rumblefish

    Rumblefish Guest

    It's because there is lack of confidence in the US dollars. china owns a lot of US bonds(fiat money)

    gold is convertible to US dollars or any currency.

    gold is not an 'investment' it's storage of value like cash

    preservation capital is the goal of pension funds.

    china has a lot of pension funds and sovereign wealth funds.

    US T-bills or US gov't bonds is now 'risky'

    Gov't bonds or US gov't bonds at one time was the most safest and most conservative portion of investment portfolios.


     
    #19     Jun 10, 2011
  10. Rumblefish

    Rumblefish Guest

    You may never see gold at $350/ounce USD again

    maybe $350/ounce in another currency or new currency to replace the USD

    new foreign reserve currency to replace the USD

     
    #20     Jun 10, 2011