Claiming something to be a logical fallacy does not make it incorrect, does it? Your personal bias is a factor. My rational reasons for believing in God are based in my direct experiences with Him. Here is a question: Is it possible for you to have a discussion without taking a condescending position, or is the wounding so strong that you are compelled to act out in this manner?
I DID put you on ignore, since you jumped into the last debate far too late and I did not have the time to regurgitate everything again for the 100th time. Only one person remains on my ignore list right now. Everyone else was removed. A fresh start of sorts. So what is your stance on prayer? Can prayer have any kind of effect beyond the the known effects of positive thinking? Can it influence god to DO anything? Do you have ANY objectively measurable evidence that prayer works for anything, without excuses like it only works when NOT being measured by science peace axeman
"Claiming something to be a logical fallacy does not make it incorrect, does it? Your personal bias is a factor." Huh? If your reasoning is FLAWED, then we cannot accept what you are saying is true. This does not mean it's necessarily false, but it certainly does not give us a rational reason to believe its true or that you are right. "My rational reasons for believing in God are based in my direct experiences with Him." In other words... you have no way to provide us with proof that he exists outside of your own mind? Yes or no??? So if someone were to tell you that he has a personal psychic relationship with a purple unicorn, and his belief is based on his personal experience with a telepathic unicorn, is that good enough? "Here is a question: Is it possible for you to have a discussion without taking a condescending position, or is the wounding so strong that you are compelled to act out in this manner? " Fallacy: Poisoning the well. Is is possible for you to have a discussion without relying almost completely on logical fallacies??? You obviously think im biased because of this so called "wounding", but you fail to realize that this has NO bearing on my argument. Try beating my arguments on merit alone instead of poisoning the well by claiming im wounded. You are completely incapable of even proving im "wounded", so your assertion is quite ridiculous. I didn't drop my theism because of "wounding". I dropped it because as I learned more, I realized how completely unsupportable it really was. peace axeman
Hehehe.... love the biased wording here. Here is what really happened: The theists FAILED to keep me brainwashed. The theists FAILED and I WON my intellectual freedom, learning to think for myself. peace axeman
Do I have objective data to support my belief? Not with any instrumentation you posses, obviously. God is beyond the material by my definition, so how would I be able to measure God with material means? If the God of your understanding could be measured by limited material and limited intellectual means, then that is not the God of my understanding. My stance on prayer is that it is between God and man, not between man and man. I pray, I ask to know Him better, to trust in His will, and God does what is best by my definition. I can choose to trust in His will or not, I can accept or reject. He has given me the power of acceptance or rejection. I pray to God, the One God who only does what is best for everyone all the time. Best in the long run, not the short run. There would be no need to petition God to do something that He is or isn't going to do anyway. To think I know more than God what is right in any particular material situation, is to try to put myself on God's level, which I try not to do. I pray to accept His will, it is that simple. I try to get out of the way of His work. I cannot sincerely comment on what others do, I have no real point of reference, just opinion based in material logic, which doesn't really apply to Divine Mind. A child looks at his parents and can't begin to understand them, yet judges that they don't love the child because the child is punished by them. Yet when discussing God, people think they can apply their limited and finite tools to understand Him. Odd.