god told me to post this here

axeman · Nov 10, 2003

"What makes you unique that you "cracked the code" that noone has been able to for the last 4,000 years? That's what I'm asking..."

Go Shoeshine!

Damn 777..... he's gotcha here.

Come on Shoeshine... haven't you heard?

Only 777 has a MONOPOLY on magical faith powers.

Only HIS unique, self religion, is the only TRUE one.

LMAO..... dude has delusions of grandeur.

peace

axeman

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Let me rephrase my question. You have essentially set up your own belief system and your fallback position is "sincerity". What I am asking is, "Why do you think sincerity has anything to do with being right in any field of human endeavor"? Sincerity does not help one in the area of mathematics, science, politics, etc., etc. Why would being "sincere" help one be right with respect to God? The way I see it: either you're right or you're not.

Maybe this will help:
1) If the occult/gnostic tradition is right, then you must find some esoteric set of practices in which to make any progress to God.
2) If Christianity is right, then you need to believe in Christ's death.
3) If animism is right, then you must believe in a specific earthly deity.
etc.
etc.

The religions of the world are all diametrically opposed. They define faith differently. They define love differently. They define God differently. They can't all be sincerely right.

If we got down to the details, you would define love and faith differently than any of these. Why do you think you can just be sincerely right coming up with your own set of religious beliefs and principles? What makes you unique that you "cracked the code" that noone has been able to for the last 4,000 years? That's what I'm asking...
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ARogueTrader · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from axeman:

LOL...so BUSTED.

Again he fails to deny it.

Look at his last post to me... the ramblings of a lunatic.

Yup.... 777 is back. Along with his voo doo magic powers. LOL!

peace

axeman

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Now there is some need to resort to calling my posts the ramblings of a lunatic.

Feel free to call me whatever you like, it takes the attention away from the issues I bring to your table.

Such immature taunting attempts continue to indicate the track I am on is correct.

ARogueTrader · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

"Let me rephrase my question. You have essentially set up your own belief system and your fallback position is "sincerity"."

Fallback position? I don't know what the word sincerity means to you, but to me it means genuine. Faith requires no fallback position, but rather abandonment of all material fallback positions.

"What I am asking is, "Why do you think sincerity has anything to do with being right in any field of human endeavor"? Sincerity does not help one in the area of mathematics, science, politics, etc., etc. Why would being "sincere" help one be right with respect to God? The way I see it: either you're right or you're not."

In the field of human relationships, what is the value of being genuine and sincere? I am discussing having a relationship with God, and the need to be sincere and genuine in the approach to that relationship. Being genuine requires someone to be fully who they are, both intellectually and emotionally.

If you were seeking a close intimate relationship with anyone, wouldn't you think sincerity and genuineness were necessary for success?

"Maybe this will help:
1) If the occult/gnostic tradition is right, then you must find some esoteric set of practices in which to make any progress to God."

If humbly and genuinely asking God for His help and love is esoteric, then I am esoteric.

"2) If Christianity is right, then you need to believe in Christ's death."

Religions have their own rules, made by men.

"3) If animism is right, then you must believe in a specific earthly deity.
etc."

Animism deals with the material realm, not the Divine realm.

"The religions of the world are all diametrically opposed. They define faith differently. They define love differently. They define God differently. They can't all be sincerely right."

Men can look at the same painted picture and see different things. People can go to the same movie, and some will laugh, some will cry, and some will be bored, etc.

People in their inconsistent personalities see inconsistencies.

As mentioned before, what a child learns in kindergarten may be different and in opposition to what an older child learns later on. Both are not wrong, only seen as wrong by comparison. It is man who has a need to compare religions, not God. God simply accepts the genuine love that is offered to Him.

"If we got down to the details, you would define love and faith differently than any of these. Why do you think you can just be sincerely right coming up with your own set of religious beliefs and principles?"

Why do I think if I speak to God with sincerity that He will listen? It is my faith, based on my own personal experience. I am not the first to have proposed such an approach to knowing God.

"What makes you unique that you "cracked the code" that no one has been able to for the last 4,000 years? That's what I'm asking... "

I am not unique, nor have I cracked the code.

However, throughout the past 4,000 years how many people have genuinely approached supreme God asking only for His love and Vision, without asking for anything of a material nature?

The only desire would be to know God and His love, and a complete abandonment of all desires in the world? How many people have asked God for his Love, and believed without any doubt, with 100% confidence that God would give them that love? How many believed genuinely and sincerely that they were related to God only, and not related to anything in the material world?
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Party Aminal · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from ARogueTrader (AKA OPTIONAL777):

You failed in the practice of faith. Had you succeeded, you would still practice today.

When the doubts came, you failed to dismiss the intellectual relativistic doubts. It was a choice, as are most failures.

Failure occurs in faith when someone gives up, as the fox gave up with the grapes.

You could have simply said, it is not for me, perhaps it works for others, but you have all the anger and vindictiveness of a sour grapes mentality.

You will never know if you had only doubted the doubt, that faith might have revealed what you practicing faith for.

So, you quit.

I could call you a quitter, but failure seems to sum it up best.

I would be happy to talk to a psychologist about faith, as faith is understood in modern psychology not to be a lack of rationality. In fact it is accepted as part of human nature to come to know things via faith. Faith is supported by mainstream and balanced professionals in the field of psychology, neurology, neuro-psychology, physiology, etc.

Of course you can say you know more than all the psychologists about the mind and dismiss their findings too.

You on the other hand, if evaluated by a psychologists would come under the watchful eye of a trained observer of psychological problems for your lack of acceptance of faith as a viable means to come to have a relationship with God. Your anger toward theists would come under scrutiny as unresolved issues within your own life and your own life choices.

You would be seen as an extremist who is in constant need of reaffirmation of his chosen philosophy. Those who are extreme and in need of constant affirmation by minimization of other's and their belief systems are not deemed psychologically healthy. Were you content in your chosen faith, faith in science, you would exhibit tolerance and acceptance of others and their chosen faith, and would not ridicule those who had a different set of life experiences and conclusions.

Your persecutory attitude is obvious as some sign of pathology in this area, and my guess is that you snapped (a psychological term) during a time of crisis when you felt your faith left you down and latched on to the polar opposite approach to uncertainty out of anger, it is a childish and primitive response to seek out the polar opposite in times of disappointment and stress, and now are on some type of crusade against those who don't share you belief systems.

You have gone to the ultimate extreme of a true believer who fails, and must necessarily denounce those who still believe. It is a psychological necessity, for to honestly and thoroughly examine the current real possibilities of your belief system which are:

1. You were wrong to renounce faith.
2. You are wrong to embrace your current faith with such zealousness as to denounce all others as wrong.

could potentially lead to a psychotic break. I have seen it happen. You exhibit all the signs of the imbalance of one who does not accept that other people may be right, and not make you wrong.

You are unable to see or admit to the circular nature of your belief system, as it is wholly a product of the intellectual mind, and it stands untested by anything but the intellectual mind. You place yourself as judge of what is rational, yet your responses filled with sarcasm, smugness and bile are irrational in their intent.

There is no balance, everything is black or white, with no possibility of gray. You try to act like your mind is a computer, yet you lash out emotionally and vindictively. The more you deny your own humanity and attempt to cloak it under the guise of logic and senses only, the greater the split will be between the two parts of humanity, which are the intellect and the heart.

You are a broken man, and too proud to admit it to yourself. Your bluster and comments about how much money you make are necessary to attempt to build up a crumbling self-esteem.

Fortunately, there is recovery from your state, but it requires emotional honesty first. My guess is that you possible suffered from religious addiction, and have approached your concept of religious sobriety in an unhealthy manner.

The first step is to admit that you are powerless over life, that you intellect is not enough, and that you need help from an intelligence higher than your own.

Or you can white knuckle your way through life exhibiting anger, self superiority, and condescension toward those who have different life experiences, conclusions and opinions.

It is of course your choice.

My guess is that you will deny you have such buttons which are being pressed, and will take to the same type of attacks which reaffirm the pathology.
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Seek help immediately.

By the way, God has asked me to ask you to admit you are OPTIONAL777. He wants you to post the answer here. Do it for Christ and don't sin. He believes you have betrayed the ET community by your disguise. He says he will forgive your sin if you admit it here publicly. He says that you face the punishment of hell if you do not do as the Lord wishes.

I await your reply, as does the Lord.

ARogueTrader · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from Party Aminal:

Seek help immediately.

By the way, God has asked me to ask you to admit you are OPTIONAL777. He wants you to post it here. Do it for Christ and don't sin.

I await your reply, as does the Lord.

Sincerely,

Party Aminal

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Your comments, followed by a signature of "sincerely" are indicative of a mental disorder.

Party Aminal · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Your comments, followed by a signature of "sincerely" are indicative of a mental disorder.
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The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to admit that you are OPTIONAL777. Failure to do so will result in a condemnation to Hell.

"It's your choice," says Christ.

ARogueTrader · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from Party Aminal:

The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to admit that you are OPTIONAL777. Failure to do so will result in a condemnation to Hell.

"It's your choice," says Christ.
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Common sense would lead me to believe that you knew or know little of what that Jesus Christ said, or took any of it to heart.

Party Aminal · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Common sense would lead me to believe that you knew or know little of what that Jesus Christ said, or took any of it to heart.
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You wouldn't know what common sense is if it was attached to your face.

You can not prove Christ is not asking for your reply. Lack of evidence does not mean something is not true. Are you prepared to argue with God? Repent now and prevent your sins from sending you to hell.

Again, The Lord is asking you to admit you are OPTIONAL777.

axeman · Nov 10, 2003

"Feel free to call me whatever you like, it takes the attention away from the issues I bring to your table."

Thats the whole problem. You haven't brought any issues
to the table

Just some unsupported claims of spooky magical powers
and communications with the immaterial, which only
YOU have the power to judge as correctly or incorrectly applied. LOL!

All kneel before the Mrs Cleo... cough cough... Mrs 777. LMAO
She can channel the supreme being for you...send $$$ asap...
the trading account is getting low. LMAOOOOOO!

peace

axeman

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Now there is some need to resort to calling my posts the ramblings of a lunatic.

Feel free to call me whatever you like, it takes the attention away from the issues I bring to your table.

Such immature taunting attempts continue to indicate the track I am on is correct.
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ARogueTrader · Nov 10, 2003

Quote from axeman:

"Feel free to call me whatever you like, it takes the attention away from the issues I bring to your table."

Thats the whole problem. You haven't brought any issues
to the table

Just some unsupported claims of spooky magical powers
and communications with the immaterial, which only
YOU have the power to judge as correctly or incorrectly applied. LOL!

All kneel before the Mrs Cleo... cough cough... Mrs 777. LMAO
She can channel the supreme being for you...send $$$ asap...
the trading account is getting low. LMAOOOOOO!

peace

axeman

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Your behavior is consistent with the emotional development of an adolescent.

Please continue, is strengthens the case.