If we were to present the evidence for the supernatural qualities of zeus, god, and pink unicorns, in a court of law, and claimed that all three existed, and provided the evidence, I would wager that the courts would reject all three as truly existing beyond a reasonable doubt. This is what I mean by equal. None of these myths have sufficient evidence to support their supernatural claims. Of the 3, god is the grandest of claims. We have evidence for zeus in the form of ancient greek religion. We have evidence for unicorns in story books. We have evidence of god in religious texts. I use the word evidence very very loosely here, because I do not think any of these constitute evidence, or certainly not enough evidence to accept such grand claims. IF TODAY... in present time.... someone in a court of law claimed that he walked on water, turned water into wine and came back to life after being killed, I am 100% confident these claims would be REJECTED outright based on the lack of evidence and our knowledge of the world. So yes.... jesus would be rejected, along with the unicorns and zeus, thus making them EQUALLY unsupported. peace axeman
____________________________________________ I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 100% confidence of an outright rejection is very high. The law professors I have spoken to and essays by many other lawyers, judges and jurists would also disagree with your certainty. They say taken the number of witnesses and the consistency among those witness added to the reliability on other issues and their martyred deaths instead of renouncing what they witnessed would have to be taken too seriously to be rejected out of hand. Read "Who Moved the Stone" by I believe Morrison. Another case in point is the short time frame between the witnessed events and their being recorded by the witnesses. Many of the witnesses and bystanders were alive at the time of the incidents and the time of the writings. The question at that time was not if the events took place but if they were supernatural.
Putting god on trial would require that he first exists. I cannot put a non-existent entity on trial obviously. But I can put the hypothesis of god on trial. peace axeman
This will just get us into another discussion on the authenticity of the bible. Regardless.... if we focus on the supernatural claims in the bible, even if we accepted that the bible was not completely manufactured by the designers of a new religion, it STILL would not stand up to scrutiny. Modern magicians can perform "miracles" more magnificent than those claimed by jesus, and if they were to claim that these were NOT illusions, but in fact true, I seriously doubt a court of law would accept them without very very close examination and scrutiny by a team of debunkers/scientists. Only with such close examination and research would such extraordinary claims be accepted. Obviously, this test is not even possible with the jesus stories, and therefore I can only be led to believe that such claims would have to be rejected if the courts applied any consistency in their judgement, due to their unverifiability and untestability. People claim to see all kinds of weird things, like ufo's, ghosts, etc, and none of these are accepted on mere eye witness accounts either. peace axeman
I would love to formally debate such topics with a board to judge the winner I have done so in the past, and it's far easier than in a forum like this. This plays to my strengths because such debates occur within the frameworks of logic and reason, and when I shoot my opponents down by identifying their flaws, they cannot so easily shrug me off. It COUNTS I welcome such debates. It makes it so much easier for me. If this were to happen in a court of law, and I was the attorney arguing against the other attorneys position that god exists, where the burden of proof is on HIM... my confidence level could not be any higher. I would almost consider it an easy win. peace axeman
i'm not gay, but you know a religion is ABSOLUTE SH!T when gay people are "sinners." anyone who supports that is a total dickhead with an absolute crap belief system!!!! you religous people should be EMBARASSED for discriminating against gay people! and if you still don't understand that being gay is not a choice, only acting on it is, YOU'RE FLAT OUT FVCKED UP!!!!! then aphexcoil and others cry because i don't respect their BS religion. IT DESERVES TO NOT BE RESPECTED AND I'M NOT GOING TO EVER. it's a DISGRACE to the human race, PERIOD.
The idea of original sin is an atrocity, which from an early age, I wager, does psychological harm to children who have to grow up thinking of themselves as a worthless piece of crap peace axeman