Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by RainMaker3000, Jan 29, 2020.
Certain things in life, give what is God's, and Give Caesar his 10 percent!
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Sounds ominous. We would only need to know what you mean by "things", "life","give", "God", "Ceasar" and "10 percent". We could leave it vague if it helps us sound authoritative.
It seems to promote some sort of compromise between two masters, despite other sayings that suggest it is not possible to serve two masters. Either that, or this is a statement that asserts a correlation between earthly rulers and the god of the world, as if one were the deputy of the other, resolving the problem of two masters.
Do you feel random earthly rulers are deputees of the god of this world?
And, what about a Good that does not make this world or have anything to do with it's kings. What is your opinion about such a Good, or how much you might owe it versus anything else?
If there were a God, there wouldn't be any taxes.
From the Gospel of Thomas #100:
I have a good source suggesting as much as 30% of the Gospel of Thomas is spurious. This could be one of the sayings that was never actually said, despite it is shared with the pop gospels.
But let me entertain it with possible interpretations and/or observations.
First off, he is not taking any back seat to any emperor or any god and suggests something is owed him that is at least as important as anything owed anybody else.
Second, he does not actually say what is owed to either of the other two, and does not specify a distinction about what god he is talking about. The god of this world?
Third, he suggests that they be given only what actually belongs to them. This seems reasonable, and could be used as an argument to avoid taxes, since your money does not actually belong to them if you earned it without their help. On the flip side is the argument that if a coin has the image of an emperor on it, the coin might actually belong to the ruler/issuer. In between is the argument that the money you've earned has been helped by the issuance of the coin, and so, maybe a portion of what you've earned belongs to the ruler of the economic environment that has helped you.
When speaking of intangible debts to the god of this world, it becomes a bit more nebulous and vague. Again, this may not mean that anything is actually owed to the god of this world. What belongs to the god of this world might actually be zero, relative to what belongs to the full measure of the Self Jesus speaks of (Christ). In other words, the god of this world might owe everything it seems to have to Christ, having taken (stolen) all it has from Christ to begin with. If this is true, then it follows that anything produced by the god of this world also owes everything to Christ, having taken (stolen) it from Christ to begin with. That is, it's possible he may be saying that everything belongs to him (as Christ), and it's time we re-evaluated the worth of anything else.
The world's most valuable commodity is ATTENTION (mind over matter). We "pay" attention when we give it. Coin is a proxy for attention, the attention you give to your work, for example. When we get caught up in political porn, the democratic debates for example (or impeachment proceedings), we pay a lot of attention, and when this attention is taken from our work (jobs) it can really start to add up over four years. Likewise, a lot of attention is given to the god of this world, affecting our bottom line.
It's possible Jesus is saying all attention belongs to Christ, and that any attention taken away from Christ, is given to entities not worthy of the attention (does not really belong to them). He could be suggesting that people re-evaluate what they pay attention to, and give it back to Christ, to whom all attention belongs in the first place. If this were to happen, both the emperor and the god of this world would disappear back into the void of nothingness from which they came (when attention that belonged to Christ was given to them). And with this, all problems, including the problem of taxes, would be solved.
I don't necessarily disagree, but i don't follow your logic. Can you explain?
My logic is simply,
If taxes are actually a necessity, then no Good god exists.
Since a Good god does exist, taxes are not actually necessary.
This raises questions like, why do taxes seem necessary if they are not?
This might be a good time to point out that because of the weird way the relationship between the united states and their federal (common) government has evolved, Federal income taxes in the U.S. are voluntary except for corporations and peoples working for the Federal government, as well peoples residing in territory the Federal government actually owns.
And so, a lot of Federal income depends upon an ongoing deception. This circumstance, by extrapolation, also pertains to our relationship with this world, to begin with. It demands our attention through some very tricky deceptions. It exists only by the attention we give it.
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