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  1. userque

    userque

    Some "guess." Others "learn."
     
    #971     Jan 23, 2022
  2. themickey

    themickey

    Jesus said "You will always have the poor amongst you".
    What he was too polite to say, "You will always have the dumb, the stupid".
     
    #972     Jan 23, 2022
  3. userque

    userque

    The Bible speaks a lot about fools.
     
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    #973     Jan 23, 2022
  4. themickey

    themickey

    :thumbsup:
     
    #974     Jan 23, 2022
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  5. themickey

    themickey

    There would be the same probability of getting blood from a stone as changing a cultist mindset.
     
    #975     Jan 23, 2022
  6. Maybe you didn't read the FACT CHECKING POSTS very thoroughly? The resurrection was a very big part of the early Christian church.

    Also, "This verse shows that they were imitating the churches in Judea. This is significant, because if their faith was in the same gospel of Jesus as the churches in Judea, then the resurrection of Jesus was widely believed in Judean churches."

    And please read all these experpts from PART ONE again!!!!:)

     
    #976     Jan 23, 2022
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  7. @themickey wrote:"Here once again we have not an original account, Paul does not make the claim, others do at a much later date, even though Saul/Paul was an educated Pharasee quite capable of writing."
    Now you are just making things up. Where is Paul making things up? He mentioned to Galatians, as I pointed out in PART TWO FACT CHECKING @themickey, that he received the gospel through the revelation of Jesus. That, in my mind, matches perfectly with Jesus shining like a light from heaven and calling out to Paul on the way to Damascus.
     
    #977     Jan 23, 2022
  8. You are not reading things very carefully at all. The letter to Galatians shows that Paul and Peter and James met, they also had the same beliefs. I clearly pointed out that Paul used the gospel, that Jesus had died and was resurrected and that is sufficient for sinners, when he confronted Peter over a racist hypocrisy. The issue wasn't the content of what the gospel was, which shows that Peter and Paul were in agreement with the message that Jesus died for sinners, was buried and rose again.

    Just in case you don't click on the quote, here is point 7 from the above quote:

    7. Paul has a second encounter with Peter in chapter 2.

    Note that it is not the facts of Jesus death and resurrection that Paul has an issue with Peter about. That is important because it shows that they were on the same page as far as what the gospel message was. What Paul was upset about was a decision Peter made to not eat with Gentiles. Paul uses the truth of the gospel message, that we can assume Peter also believed, that is, that we are saved by faith in Jesus, to publicly confront Peter that his decision was hypocritical.

    11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.​

    14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.​

    17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
    Oops! :( The above passage doesn't actually refer to the resurrection. Actually, it kind of does, since Paul said, "CHRIST LIVES IN ME." However, we KNOW that Peter and all the disciples believed in the resurrection.

    Wait, here is something: the greeting of Galatians says that the letter is from Paul and ALL who are with him and the first line says that God the Father raised Him from the dead.

    SEE, IT WAS BELIEVED BY ALL THE CHRISTIANS THAT JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!!!

    1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,​
     
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    #978     Jan 23, 2022
  9. Some light trivia, in Acts 13 have you ever wondered who Manaen was?

    “13 1 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas,Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene,Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul.2”


    Josepheus and Jewish Tradition mentioned someone who might have been a prominent leader, maybe it was him?
     
    #979     Jan 23, 2022
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  10. Thanks for answering!
    There's not much given in the book of Revelation to go on, but this is one verse that mentions believers during the Tribulation:

    And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
    Revelation 12:11​
     
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