A Jewish View of the Trinity Based on the Hebrew Scriptures by Jews for Jesus April 23 2018 I tried to copy and paste most of this article but this left out critical quotes. It would be better to read it using Elite Trader Quote Captioning below, or directly on the website at this link https://jewsforjesus.org/learn/a-jewish-view-of-the-trinity-based-on-the-hebrew-scriptures A Jewish View of the Trinity Based on the Hebrew Scriptures by Jews for Jesus April 23 2018 It is an all-too-common assumption that the concept of the Trinity is a purely Christian idea. But the idea of a God being a three-in-one unity actually has its roots in foundational Judaism and in the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the concept of the Holy Spirit, the Ruach Ha-kodesh, originates in the Hebrew Scriptures—as early as the Hebrew Scriptures. We should be open to exploring and understanding the nuances of the Jewish roots of the Trinity because many Jewish people do believe in the Trinity! If we go back to the Scriptures, the case is clear, and this article will walk you through that case. Our understanding hinges on the Hebrew language, so to the Hebrew first we shall turn. God is Plural: The Possibility of a Jewish Understanding of the Trinity Through Language The name Elohim It is generally agreed that Elohim is a plural noun having the masculine plural ending “im.” Elohim is used to describe God in man was created in the image of God and not of angels. The Midrash Rabbah on Genesis recognizes the weight of this passage: Rabbi Samuel Bar Hanman in the name of Rabbi Jonathan said, that at the time when Moses wrote the Torah, writing a portion of it daily, when he came to this verse which says, “And Elohim said, let us make man in our image after our likeness,” Moses said, “Master of the universe, why do you give herewith an excuse to the sectarians (who believe in the Tri-unity of God)?” God answered Moses, “You write and whoever wants to err, let him err.”1 The Midrash Rabbah tries to avoid the problem and fails to adequately answer why God refers to Himself in the plural. The use of the plural pronoun appears frequently, and avoiding it or explaining it away is insufficient: affirm the fact that God is one and to deny the possibility of plurality in the Godhead. The word echad does not mean an 'absolute one' but a 'compound one.' On the one hand, it should be noted that the very words “our God” are in the plural in the Hebrew text and literally mean “our Gods.” However, the main argument lies in the word “one,” which is a Hebrew word, echad. A glance through the Hebrew text where the word is used elsewhere can quickly show that the word echad does not mean an “absolute one” but a “compound one.” For instance, in 2 with the emphasis being on the meaning of “only.” If Moses intended to teach God’s absolute oneness instead of as a compound unity, yachid would have been a far more appropriate word. In fact, Maimonides noted the strength of “yachid” and chose to use that word in his “Thirteen Articles of Faith” in place of echad. However, Deuteronomy 6:4 (the Shema) does not use “yachid” in reference to God. There is sufficient evidence for the plurality of God. But can we come to a concrete understanding of the Jewish view of the Trinity? A Dual God: Judaism’s Understanding of the Godhead Elohim and YHVH The case for God’s plurality becomes stronger when we encounter the term Elohim applied to two personalities in the same verse, such as in Psalm 45:6-7: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions. The first Elohim is being addressed, and the second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim. And so God’s God has anointed Him with the oil of gladness. And Hosea 1:7: I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and I will save them by the LORD their God. I will not save them by bow or by sword or by war or by horses or by horsemen. The speaker is Elohim who says He will have mercy on the house of Judah and will save them by the instrumentality of YHVH, their Elohim. So Elohim number one will save Israel by means of Elohim number two. Not only is Elohim applied to two personalities in the same verse, but so is the very name of God: “Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven” (Genesis 19:24). YHVH number one is on earth raining sulfur and fire from a second YHVH who is in heaven. Furthermore, Zechariah 2:8-9: For thus says the LORD of Hosts, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye: “Behold, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me.” So, again, we have one YHVH sending another YHVH to perform a specific task. The author of the Zohar sensed plurality in the Tetragrammaton3 and wrote: A second example is Zechariah 2:8-9: For thus says the LORD of Hosts: "He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he that touches you touches the apple of His eye. For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me." Again, we have one YHVH sending another YHVH to perform a specific task. The author of the Zohar sensed plurality in the Tetragrammaton 3 and wrote: Come and see the mystery of the word YHVH: there are three steps, each existing by itself: nevertheless they are One, and so united that one cannot be separated from the other. The Ancient Holy One is revealed with three heads, which are united into one, and that head is three exalted. The Ancient One is described as being three: because the other lights emanating from him are included in the three. But how can three names be one? Are they really one because we call them one? How three can be one can only be known through the revelation of the Holy Spirit.4 The evidence for at least a dual God in the Hebrew Scriptures is clear, but what is Judaism’s response to a triune God? A Triune God: Judaism’s Understanding of the Holy Spirit If the Hebrew Scriptures point to plurality, then how many personalities exist in the Godhead? As we saw above, the names of God are applied to at least two different personalities. Yet, a deeper examination of the Hebrew Scriptures shows three distinct personalities that are considered divine. First, there are numerous references to the LORD YHVH. Second, there is a personality referred to as the Angel of YHVH who is considered distinct from the other angels. In passages where He is found, He is referred to as both the Angel of YHVH and YHVH Himself. For instance, in 5 The Holy Spirit cannot be a mere emanation because He contains all the characteristics of personality (intellect, emotion, and will) and is considered divine. There is clear evidence that three personalities are referred to as divine and as being God. So then, from various sections of the Hebrew Scriptures, there is clear evidence that three personalities are referred to as divine and as being God: the LORD YHVH, the Angel of YHVH, and the Spirit of God. The Intersection of God’s Three Personalities The Scriptures do present all three personalities of the Godhead together in some passages. Isaiah 48:12-16 reveals a speaker who refers to himself as the one who is responsible for the creation of the heavens and the earth: Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. “Assemble, all of you, and listen! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; he shall perform his purpose on Babylon, and his arm shall be against the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken and called him; I have brought him, and he will prosper in his way. Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. It is clear that the speaker is God Himself. But then in verse 16, the speaker refers to himself using the pronouns of I and me and distinguishes himself from the LORD YHVH and from the Spirit of God. The Tri-unity is presented in the Hebrew Scriptures with striking clarity. In Isaiah 63:7-14, there is a reflection back to the time of the Exodus, clearly demonstrating all three personalities as present and active. The LORD YHVH is referred to in verse 7, the Angel of YHVH in verse 9, and the Spirit of God in verses 10, 11, and 14. While God refers to Himself as the one responsible for Israel’s redemption from Egypt, in this passage three personalities are given credit. Yet, no contradiction is seen since all three comprise the unity of the one Godhead. The rest of this article and a list of the references used in the article can be found at this link: https://jewsforjesus.org/learn/a-jewish-view-of-the-trinity-based-on-the-hebrew-scriptures
Just finished listening to this you tube video. Didn't have time to sit an watch it, but it was easy to listen to as I got some things done. This is an hour long. It's more of a documentary of Ray Comfort's experiences in evangelism and has a few interactions or clips of well-known atheists, including several of Richard Dawkins. Don't miss the coke and banana demo he gives in the first few minutes of the video; they are important for understanding the context of Richard Dawkin's comments later on.
The LORD is exalted over all the nations, His glory above the heavens. Who is like the LORD our God, the One enthroned on high? He humbles Himself to behold the heavens and the earth. Psalm 113:4-6 BSB Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little. Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” But those at the table began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?” And Jesus told the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Luke 7:47-50 BSB This song is often sung at my church. We who have been forgiven of our sin debts toward God worship Him because we love Him and because He is worthy of our worship. It is God Himself who has become our salvation.
My Righteousness in Heaven by John Bunyan One day, as I was passing into the field, suddenly this sentence fell upon my soul: 'Thy righteousness is in heaven.' And I thought that I could see Jesus Christ at God's right hand. Yes, there indeed was my righteousness, so that wherever I was, or whatever I was doing, God could not say about me that I did not have righteousness, for it was standing there before Him. I also saw that it was not my good feelings that made my righteousness better, and that my bad feelings did not make my righteousness worse, for my righteousness was Jesus Christ Himself, 'the same yesterday, and today, and forever,' Hebrews 13:8. Now indeed the chains fell off my legs, and I was loosened from my afflictions and irons. My temptations also fled away so that from that time forward those dreadful Scriptures terrified me no more. Now I went home rejoicing because of the grace and love of God, and went to my Bible to look up where the verse was found that said, 'Thy righteousness is in heaven.' But I could not find it. And so my heart began to sink again, until suddenly, there came to my remembrance I Corinthians 1:30, 'Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification and redemption.' From this, I saw that the other sentence was also true. I lived here sweetly at peace with God through Christ for a long time. There was nothing but Christ before my eyes. I was not thinking of him now only as concerning His blood, His burial or His resurrection, but I was thinking of Christ Himself, and that He sat there on the right hand of God in Heaven. From Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan "John Bunyan (/ˈbʌnjən/; baptised 30 November 1628 – 31 August 1688) was an English writer and Puritan preacher best remembered as the author of the Christian allegoryThe Pilgrim's Progress. " "After the restoration of the monarch, when the freedom of nonconformists was curtailed, Bunyan was arrested and spent the next twelve years in jail as he refused to give up preaching. During this time he wrote a spiritual autobiography, Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners, and began work on his most famous book, The Pilgrim's Progress, which was not published until some years after his release." I can identify with having similar spiritual experiences to those that John Bunyan wrote about, especially those that he allegorized in Pilgrim's Progress. He was also willing to suffer through imprisonment for sharing his faith which makes me believe that he didn't preach for selfish motivations, but out of concern and love for others and love for the God who saved him and with Whom he had much fellowship.
WARNING Viewer Discretion Advised. Not recommended for the religiously sensitive (userque,studentofthemarkets). Unsuitable for those past their age of reasoning Disclaimer Possible side effects include: a risk of experiencing some rational thoughts No responsibility can be accepted for the possible sound of pennies dropping In this more interesting and much shorter video, the Creator of the Universe is accidentally discovered The answser is always Pasta
Stu said: The video posted by Stu ends with, "Maybe there was Something before the Big Bang." I firmly believe there WAS Something before the BIG BANG of God's voice saying "Let there be..." God’s voice thunders in marvelous ways; he does great things beyond our understanding. Job 37:5 ...The God of glory thunders; the LORD is heard over many waters. The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is majestic. Psalm 29:3, 4 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years." Genesis 1:14
LOL ... stu is the only one being triggered. S/he stalks the ET forums looking for anyone making pro God posts: