peilthetraveler Registered: Jun 2005 Posts: 1510 07-08-09 09:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from vhehn: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm The Problem of Paul Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity Peter founded the Church, not Paul. paul changed the message from one of works, ie helping the poor, to one of faith alone as the ticket to the magical place in the sky with streets paved in gold. christianity should really be called paulianity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiVzI8KG5Bk
how many of the 100 billion? None. God is torturing nobody. Satan & his demons are doing that. As for Hitler...he was not a Christian. How do i know this? Because the bible says, a good tree produces good fruit. A bad tree produces bad fruit. A bad tree can not produce good fruit and a good tree can not produce bad fruit. You will know them by their fruits. Hitlers fruits say it all. It doesnt matter how much he claims to have been a Christian...he was not one. This is the same today...many people claim to be Christians, but they dont live that way. That makes them not Christians. They are what we refer to as false Christians. You guys are hilarious by the way. You will go out and say Paul is not a follower of Christ, but Hitler was!
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Just debunked your statement. NEXT!
is that like republicans when a fellow republican supports something democrats propose? they always say he was not a real republican.
James 2:24 (King James Version) 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. who was closer to jesus? james or paul,a man that never met jesus. so we see when paul said salvation by grace alone he was wrong:
...and God bestowed on Man Free Will and Intelligence so that he might understand the implications of that Free Will and in that understanding know the meaning of God. [Gospel according to Biff] The Gospel according to Biff will be available in the latest rewriting of the Bible. There is not a simple dichotomy - Good vs Evil. Good-Evil is a continuum, nay - a nebulous field of ambiguity - with no demarcation clearly separating one from the other. While extreme good may be clearly differentiable from extreme evil what's somewhat good in one set of circumstances may be somewhat bad in another. Hence our intelligence. We are duty-bound (to God) to use our intelligence to extract from ambiguity the knowledge of what is good and evil in a given set of circumstances. We are further duty-bound to act (Free Will) in accordance with what we have discovered is good. As you can see, the Book of Biff contradicts the Garden of Eden stuff about biting the apple of the knowledge of good/evil being itself an evil thing. Biff sez it was a good thing and that God was only kidding (testing our intelligence). And that's how it is and I don't have time for any silly disagreements.
....in the same way judeo-christianity hasn't made up the name of its own god but leached the hebrew one.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26 ....then for all your pretentiousness, if you do not hate your family , YOU are a false Christian.
================ P-traveler; Good points & good perception. And i understand the original poster's confusion concerning the God & the devil. God is not the author of that confusion, but the devil is known to pretend to be an ''angel of light''
There is no debating about whether or not salvation is a matter of grace -- it is (Eph. 2:8). We are not saved by works of our own righteousness but according to God's mercy (Titus 3:5). The question is whether or not there are works of another class included within the realm of grace? Does the Bible teach there are "works" which exclude boasting consistent with divine grace? The Bible says that Abraham was saved by "works" (Jam. 2:21-23). These were works of faith, that is, obedience to God which was rooted in and sprang forth from faith (Heb. 11:8, 17-19). There is no sense in which the works which Abraham did can be said to have been "his own works." He did not appoint the journey. He did not originate the sacrifice of his only son. God asked for these things and Abraham with implicit trust obeyed God. Thus, we are urged to walk in the steps of Abraham's faith (Rom. 4:12). How can we so walk, if "doing" nullifies grace? Peter clearly declares salvation is promised to him that fears God and works righteousness (Acts 10:34-35). Paul affirms that he preached in order to secure from others the "obedience of faith" (Rom. 1:5; 16:26). Such obedience is not inconsistent with grace, but establishes grace (Rom. 6:15-18). Luke 7:50 Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace"