You say that you discuss GOD with the terminally ill. If life is eternal then they are temporarily ill. The real disease is to reject GOD'S UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. THAT IS TERMINAL DIS EASE! "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved." The Gospel of Saint John Chapter 3, verses 16 and 17.
This is a popular closed-ended, simplistic explanation of a more complex reality. When you consider the complexity of the actual scenarios described below, its understandable why such a potentially counterproductive viewpoint is propogated. Nevertheless, its time to clear the records: We are nearing the Omega point of an Alpha/Omega cycle of creation. This is a "consciousness program". This is an "aeon" having a beginning and an end in which the soul has risen in consciousness through many "deaths" and rebirths in a three-dimensional environment. The question is, does the soul have the necessary energy/consciousness to move on to the next, higher cycle of evolution...the next Alpha/Omega consciousness program? Those who cannot "graduate" are returned to begin their consciousness program once again. Those who will not "choose to be chosen" in taking the higher spiral of Light, instead of the lower spiral of decay and entropy, will not receive "final destruction" but a return to meta-matter and primeval "Earth". There is no death, but only a recycling of energy within a variety of evolutions. In this sense, all are "doomed to perfection". Meanwhile, the concept of "hell" derives from the fact that under the sun, the world depends for its sustenance on burning and destructive light. While solar radiation is necessary for the photosynthesis that sustains all higher forms of physical life, intelligence in the lower heavens is 'chained' to its immediate sun system's parameters which will be destroyed through the evolving, spiraling black cube - the cubic space where star energy eats up its own physical by-products, its own physical creation, and its own creative intelligence. Whether that is "hell" is relative. It is a potentially painful route. It's clear that those inclined to make war instead of love will not be allowed to interfere in higher cycles of consciousness programs. War is not so much hell, as hell IS war. Yet, to miss the boat is another opportunity for those left behind starting over. Once again, they will eventually be faced with the same decisions they are faced with today. There are roughly three types of Man: 1. The clay people who have the ability to evolve but (within our realm of creation) are largely governed by the fallen chemistry of their physical universe (ie, under the fallen influence of the Big Dipper), oblivious to the higher orders of star evolution 2. Rational people who serve the mathematics of the circumpolar areas of the Little Dipper and the Big Dipper and "think of the gods" only as mythological manifestations of the Mazzeroth, the twelve signs of the Zodiac. 3. The few who are chosen to work with the Lords of Light, who look to the Pleiades as the Divine Dipper in conjunction with the stations of Orion where Michael, Metatron, and Melchizedek, with the 144,000 Lords of Light administer to the Son universes in the name of the Living Light of YHWH. (This tremendous power of the Godhead in the Name of YHWH resurrects even the kingdoms of Darkness) The universe is rebuilding itself as it is breaking down and is catalogued into new geometries for consciousness to continue in time cells of higher creation or lower creation. The physical schema (of creation) is one in which centropy cradles entropy. Entropy is then a subset of centropy, centropy being a treatment of metagalactic ordering. At the end of this Alpha/Omega consciousness program, those who carry the image of the Lamb (Pleiades) will be separated from those who carry the image of the Bear (Ursa Major) and the Dragon (alpha Draconis), the fallen spiritual powers controlling the old linear astronomy of the Babylonian sciences, forcing man to do homage to the lower heavens. Those who worship the Beast through their astronomy and astrology of the lower heavens and by their mathematical graven images of light are returned to begin their consciousness program once again. The Big Dipper (Ursa Major) stands as the threshold that must be overcome by Man on this planet before he will be free of the consciousness image of the Bear which emanates thought-forms of war and destruction. The Lords of Mizor and Megrez have sent out these thought-forms to keep mankind on this planet continually involved in war and revolution. The Big Dipper and the Little Dipper are the threshold gates of the lower evolution in opposition to the Pleiades, the seven lampstands to the Throne (the codes) of the Father. The Pleiades represent the key to physical protocreation; it represents the galactic beginning of the physical Adamic household. The blueprint for this physical universe and the world of negative mass pre-exists in the higher heavens, in the star codes of the Pleiades. From these codes the Elohim Lords of Light in Orion create the formation of the negative mass which is modulated by the thought-forms of the Lords of Light into the creation of the physical universe. Thus, on the seventh aeon of Light, the races which were evolved during the first six aeons of time are superseded by the Seventh Ray, which is the planting of our Adamic household of Orion and Pleiades intelligence on the planet as a witness to the evolving nations. Thus, we see the celestial origins of the Brotherhoods of Light assigned to this planet "Ur". The chosen of this planet who successfully serve their specie qualify not only to put on the higher Overself body of Light but are given the knowledge of how to use the codes of biochemical creation on this planet to mutate a specie capable of carrying the Light into other creations. For this reason the People of Israel were created. The Order of Melchizedek is in charge of the consciousness reprogramming that is necessary to link physical creation with the externalization of the divine hierarchy. The divine hierarchy is open-ended, however the immediate hierarchy includes: Self Realization (synthesis of vehicles) Overself Christ Overself Orders of Sonship Paradise Sons Elohistic Lords The Order of Michael Guards the galaxies from biological-spiritual interference from the lesser forces of light except where necessary to test/train for soul advancement. Were it not for this Order, there would be massive invasions of fallen angels and intelligence into other planetary worlds, turning species on other planets into sub-species and slave kingdoms. This Order protects the various universes so that intelligences do not randomly transplant and genetically re-engineer species serving the cosmic Law. He and his hosts will come at the end of time to free planetary intelligences from the influences of Ursa Major and Ursa Minor, the negative influences controlling the root races of this planet Ur. One thing remains the same: Change. This is sufficient reason to make decisions about how and where one wishes to experience reality. From the above scenarios comes the cryptic saying: "The gospel is in the stars". Namaste, Jesus
The only possible reply one can make to the above is: Gee, that's one of the longest posts I've seen. Daddy's boy
That assumes that its not all a fairy tale and the bible is the word of God and not the book written by suspisious primitive men who thought thunder and lightening were God speaking that the evidence indicates it is. You will find your answers here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70716&perpage=6&pagenumber=15
Hearing such things does not mean there must be a feeling or need to accept them as being important or meaningful. People may reasonably feel no inclination or need whatsoever to respond to threats or promises made by another.
It is not an unconditional loving God who creates torment and suffering through painful lingering sickness and illnesses. It is not an unconditional love which damns and condemns those who reject it. For God so loved the world, he put his only begotten son through sacrificial death in order to save humanity from what.. illness, pain, suffering, disease, sin? Obviously not. The bloodthirsty vengeful cruel violence of God pretends to kill Itself in the form of Its son in order to protect us from Its own work. You so wouldn't buy a second hand car off of a salesman you knew to be like that. Would you?
stu, Your emotions bleed through the computer screen, and it is bloody obvious that you are anything but pure reason as you respond to threads like this. There is zero detachment and passivity in your comments, as the seething anger towards religion you emote is as palpable as a 2X4 to the noggin.... In the abstract, would someone not care or have an interest in the concept of eternal damnation or eternal salvation, have no reaction whatsoever upon hearing of these ideas presented to them as a child by true believers? Perhaps.... But not in your case, not one bit....
I take it if your were God, you would do better with your limited human perceptions, and tiny little intellect? LOL... Oh man, the hubris of humanity as they evaluate the concept of God....
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: " you have baggage from childhood religious experiences that is unresolved emotionally, and be intellectually honest about this " Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: Oh man, the hubris of humanity as they evaluate the concept of God Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: " it is bloody obvious that you are anything but pure reason as you respond to threads like this."
You make my job so much easier... Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: would someone not care or have an interest in the concept of eternal damnation or eternal salvation, have no reaction whatsoever upon hearing of these ideas presented to them as a child by true believers? Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: " you have baggage from childhood religious experiences that is unresolved emotionally, and be intellectually honest about this " Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: Your emotions bleed through the computer screen Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: Oh man, the hubris of humanity as they evaluate the concept of God Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: I take it if your were God, you would do better with your limited human perceptions, and tiny little intellect? Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz: " it is bloody obvious that you are anything but pure reason as you respond to threads like this."