i have not checked this, but rumour says that environmental standard for new cars in china are more restrictive than they are in the US. rumour furthermore say that the US is the per capita highest wasting society in the world. rumour says that the single US citizen is the highest energy consumer in the world. this person might be doing something, but i am not exactly sure if "thinking" is the right term for it ...
ya see, you always have to look at the #'s and break them down...per capita? maybe...but china has about 1.5 BILLION people....who do you think produces more then?
I gave two links showing exactly who are pushing the nuclear option. Here they are again: http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-12/p34.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1401209_pf.html And these links made very good points why nuclear energy is safe and clean. And what did you show us? Fear mongering and an unsubstantiated accusation. What's wrong with people trying to make a buck if there is an opportunity?
Ok, let's look at Raw Sewage....USA has 300 million people...If you assume every person takes on avg. 2 dumps a day and the avg dump is 3Lbs...thats 6 lbs per person per day...or...1.8 billion lbs of crap per day..... Now China has 1.5 BILLION people...assuming the above, they are producing 9 BILLION POUNDS of raw sewage a day.... every which way???
Guys, can we quote pure science here? Everyone has their own beliefs, but if you quote it here, please have some science to back it up. Facts: Iceland glaciers are growing The Earth in 1933 was steaming That is FACT gents. I agree with maxpi, lets concentrate on shit that can actually happen. Once again: Population control Reforestation
You've never been to China. In the US, that's raw sewage need to be treated. In China, that's called "fertilizer" (and hog feed).
LOL....Right...they take billions of pounds of raw sewage and turn it into fertilizer where????? the fact remains they produce 5 times the raw sewage of the US.
So you really haven't been to China. 80% of Chinese population are peasants who don't have indoor plumbing. They don't produce "raw sewage." They take crap in the fields where they grow their wheat or corn. Turns into fertilizer instantly. The remaining 20%, that's less than the total US population...
LOL...yeah...peasants are environmentally concerned! Check this out...this is from 6 months ago.. http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Pollution_turns_stretch_of_China_s__10232006.html They actually turned a river RED!! LOL Here's a better one... http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/InNews/yangtze2004.html they actually admit that their river is a cesspool!!! Release from: Tim Johnson Knight Ridder Newspapers WANZHOU, China - When this city decided to dam a tributary to the mighty Yangtze River, the city fathers searched for a suitable name for the beautiful artificial lake they said would form. They settled on Goddess Lake. They planned a tree-lined park along its shores, a tranquil respite from city life. Little boats would ply its waters. Six months after Goddess Lake began filling up, it's become a cesspool filled with pig blood, dead fish, raw sewage, dye and runoff from tanneries. "Can you see the sewage pipe dumping into the lake over there?" taxi driver Lu Yongheng asked. He pointed to effluent cascading into the lake, which is a few hundred yards from the Yangtze River. Similar stories of environmental degradation are unfolding along the Yangtze upriver from the Three Gorges Dam. As the huge dam and smaller dams along the river's tributaries block the water, the flushing and self-cleaning action of the Yangtze River basin has slowed. Reservoirs are becoming sewers, filled with trash and smelly water. Local officials refuse to shut down polluting factories, fearful that unemployment will rise. Edicts from Beijing on controlling industrial waste go unheeded. Begun in 1994, nearly a mile across and 575 feet high, the controversial Three Gorges Dam is the biggest hydroelectric project in the world. The dam began blocking the Yangtze, the world's third-largest river, on June 1. By the time it's completed in 2009, the project will fill a reservoir that will stretch 350 miles upstream. If all goes according to plan, the dam will supply a 10th of China's huge energy needs and limit catastrophic flooding of the Yangtze. It also will displace 1.3 million people. The environmental deterioration that accompanies the $22 billion project shows how local authorities can thwart the toothless dictates of Beijing, and how zeal to sustain China's economic growth often trumps concerns about pollution. The central government has ordered hundreds of factories along the river closed because they were heavy polluters. But local officials have balked. In Wanzhou, home to half a million people and the largest city along the Yangtze between the Three Gorges Dam at Yichang and Chongqing, municipal officials jettisoned plans for a lakeside park when it became apparent that local factories might have to spend lots of money on pollution control - or else shut down. Earlier this month, the State Environmental Protection Administration declared that pollution treatment projects along the Yangtze were "not as smooth as planned," the China Daily newspaper said. Local officials declined to close 206 of 304 small and medium-sized factories, including paper mills and distilleries, which the central government targeted as major polluters, a report by the agency said. In addition, 242 large factories, including steel and chemical plants, were told to improve their pollution control facilities. Of these, 227 haven't completed the work, it said. Industrial plants up the Zhuxi River include a pig slaughterhouse, a fruit juice cannery, textile industries and a dye factory, residents said. Numerous pipes pump sludge into the reservoir, which in turn funnels into the Yangtze through a flood-relief sluice. Goddess Lake formed near the confluence of the Zhuxi and Yangtze rivers. "The water is getting more polluted," said He Jinjiang, a bystander at the lake. "You can't eat the fish. The fish meat is stinky." "The leather tanneries pollute a lot. It's black water. It's very smelly," said Tan Yan, a 39-year-old driver. To address worsening water pollution, China's government said last year that it was spending about $4.8 billion through 2009 to build 150 new wastewater treatment plants and 170 garbage disposal sites along the upper reaches of the Yangtze. Only 17 of these treatment plants have been built so far. "The central government has spent quite a lot of money for these water treatment plants, but didn't give money for their operation," said Zheng Zegen, an environmental engineering professor at Chongqing's Architecture University. So municipal governments and larger factories must pay to operate the new plants. "Some of my students went to these plants and saw with their own eyes that they were not operating," Zheng said. "When officials make inspection tours, some of these factories turn the plants on. But when the officials leave, they turn the plants off, and discharge right into the river." Despite worsening problems with pollution, there's only one private environmental group in the upper Yangtze River region, the Green Volunteer League of Chongqing. Its president, Wu Dengming, sympathizes with local officials who're torn between demands by Beijing to stop dumping waste and pressures to maintain economic growth. "Once the factories that pollute are closed, it causes big social problems. People will lose their jobs," said Wu. He held up pictures showing waste near factories along the river. "These photos show that the Yangtze River has turned into a garbage dump," he said, then added: "The common people, including officials, have no awareness of environmental protection. If economic activity causes environmental damage, they don't care. They just want to make money." About a quarter of the 207 tributaries that flow into the Yangtze River are so seriously polluted that the water is unfit for irrigation, local press reports say. The Yangtze's water quality has also deteriorated. State officials say it's at grade three under a Chinese rating system, which means it's of poor quality but usable for various purposes. However, the state system doesn't include a count of coliform bacteria, a sign of raw sewage, which would drop the grade further. Some 30,000 ships and vessels operating in the Three Gorges Reservoir dump an estimated 7 million tons of excrement into the Yangtze every year. Moreover, cities keep dumping raw sewage into the river basin. Zheng, the environmental engineering professor, who advises Chongqing on environmental issues, said he believes that by 2009 the central government will force municipalities to treat 85 percent of the sewage going into the Yangtze basin, up from about half now, and water quality will improve. Even so, as the water levels in the Yangtze River reservoir rise, they're causing landslides that expose landfills and garbage dumps, and more garbage is spilling into the river. Wu said he's seen floating belts of flotsam on the river that stretch for several miles.