Global warming research suppressed due to intolerance of scepticism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, May 16, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    its 41 papers out of more than 11,000 which support the idea that man made co2 causes global warming.

    I have linked to some of that database... of the 41 papers many are based on speculation from now failed models.

    There is no science showing man made co2 warms are earth.
    you and you 97% is just lying bullshit.
    if it were not you could link to hundreds of papers showing man made co2 causes warming.
     
    #81     May 21, 2014
  2. jerm, really, it's 97%. Give it up nitwit.
     
    #82     May 21, 2014
  3. ROFL. So whatever happens -- lead or lag -- you AGW chicken littles can blame CO2 like you blame heat waves AND extreme winters on global warming. Oh I forgot it's climate change now. Sorry but the historical record is clear that CO2 and temp can be remain uncoupled for hundreds of years. Which in part explains why the models have failed so spectacularly. P.S. piezoe is correct about water vapor. Even NASA admits it when they're not doing Muslim outreach.

    Nonsense. There's been no significant warming in 16 years despite an 8% increase in atmospheric CO2 which is more than a third of the extra CO2 added to the atmosphere since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

    It's all about the sun and projections of solar activity for the next few decades imply there might be global cooling despite the CO2. Also, even if we do warm another 2 degrees C it would be well within the the bounds of natural fluctuations.

    No, YOU'RE out, ignoranus. Go drink more yellow koolaid and play with your inflatable Obama boyfriend.
     
    #83     May 22, 2014
  4. Catoosa

    Catoosa

    All this gloom and doom about global warming when it is the next ice-age like the ones 12000 and 20000 years ago that will kill off more the half the planets population by starvation. I live on the Tennessee Georgia border where the entire landscape is carved out from glacier flows during the past ice ages.
     
    #84     May 22, 2014
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    With time, we are being reminded just how unreliable correlation, even a very strong one, can be when looking for cause and effect. The data we have today is far better than what was available in the 1980s, when this CO2-global warming hypothesis was first proposed by Hansen. Meanwhile politics and emotions have made dispassionate science quite difficult. Recently there has been a deluge of hard data and sharp analysis that is inconsistent with the original Hansen hypothesis. It seems most of it is being ignored. Ultimately there will be great embarrassment and ruined careers. It's a pity, because had this issue not been politicized and made into a media circus, the inevitable negative fallout could have been avoided.

    If a single observation is inconsistent with an hypothesis, the hypothesis must be rejected. Ultimately the Hansen hypothesis will have to be either considerably modified or rejected altogether. In the meantime, how much time and money will be wasted following the wrong road?
     
    #85     May 22, 2014
  6. Yes CO2 can be cause or result. Lead or lag

    Yes the earth has not stopped or even slowed warming. Remember the oceans nitwit?

    Yes, it is not the sun. Level of output has been going down for the last forty years. Solar output changes have NEVER had a large influence on the earth's climate cycles. It has been orbital variations.

    These are some of the reasons the world's science community is in overwhelming consensus about it.

     
    #86     May 22, 2014
  7. So what percent of the earth's greenhouse effect is from CO2?


     
    #87     May 22, 2014
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

    FC, Completely apart from the Hansen hypothesis is the question of whether the Earth will undergo a preventable, disastrous warming. At this point there is no individual or body, such as the IPCC, that can give us the answer to that question that we can, or should, rely on. The media, politicians, industry lobbyists, and various activist spokespersons could do us all a great favor by stepping aside and letting the science play out, as it will, without interference.
     
    #88     May 22, 2014
  9. My point was, it contradicts your implication that there's a simple and clear relationship between CO2 levels and temps. In reality it's extremely complex and "climate scientists" don't understand it well enough to (accurately) model.

    NASA Data: Global Warming Still on “Pause,” Sea Ice Hit Record
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...bal-warming-still-on-pause-sea-ice-hit-record
    Excuse #9: NASA scientist says pause in global warming just a ‘coincidence’
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/28/e...bal-warming-just-a-coincidence/#ixzz32SVI4rpN
    Yet again you show how clueless you are. Google Maunder Minimum, Dalton Minimum and Spörer Minimum. And if that's not enough, maybe you'll believe the Muslim outreachers at NASA:

    Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate
    There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny [solar] variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate. A new report issued by the National Research Council (NRC), "The Effects of Solar Variability on Earth's Climate," lays out some of the surprisingly complex ways that solar activity can make itself felt on our planet.
    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/
     
    #89     May 22, 2014
  10. Not that you have to, or can, but you did not the question. What percent of the earth's greenhoue effect is from CO2?
     
    #90     May 22, 2014