Belgian climate scientist Luc Debontridder said: CO2 is not the big bogeyman of climate change and global warming. Not CO2, but water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It is responsible for at least 75 % of the greenhouse effect. This is a simple scientific fact, but Al Goreâs movie has hyped CO2 so much that nobody seems to take note of it. New Zealander and climate researcher Dr. Vincent Gray said: The [IPCC] âSummary for Policymakersâ might get a few readers, but the main purpose of the report is to provide a spurious scientific backup for the absurd claims of the worldwide environmentalist lobby that it has been established scientifically that increases in carbon dioxide are harmful to the climate. It just does not matter that this ainât so. American climatologist Robert Durrenberger said: Al Gore brought me back to the battle and prompted me to do renewed research in the field of climatology. And because of all the misinformation that Gore and his army have been spreading about climate change I have decided that ârealâ climatologists should try to help the public understand the nature of the problem. I like these men simply question the theory. Back to you now. Lets say in 5 years I am proved entirely wrong and global warming becomes a fact. Kut would you be willing to use military action in order to stop half the world from undergoing industrial revoltions? "Oh wait!" says the idealistic bubble head. "Let's tell the countries to cut all of their environmentally harmful productivity and if we ask them nice enough they will!" -It's either idealistic dialogue that will not work or military action. You choose and i expect something logical.
Your unwillingness or inability to provide actual links speaks volumes. I won't be doing your homework for you in these exchanges, so if you can't pay me the same research courtesies I pay you, screw off. For starters: "... climatologist Luc Debontridder has clarified that there must have been an unfortunate misunderstanding. The KMI report that's due to be published at the end of this month will contain an overview of the evolution of sunshine, temperature and precipitation in Belgium, which will indicate that the climate is also changing in Belgium. Moreover, KMI is in agreement with the conclusions reached by the IPCC." http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-do-they-sleep.html And your simplistic go-to-war-or-accept-global-warming scenario is too childish to deserve a response. Thinking people can always find a better solution.
Hmmmmmmmm well i gave you their names so i assumed you were smart enough to enter their names in a google search and you unsurprisingly proved me wrong. Kut i have established that there are amazingly scientists who disagree with the theory. If you for a second believe that there is not one credible climatologist that disagrees with global warming then you are truly a nutcase. Thinking people. Okkkkkk if you consider yourself a thinking person than what is your solution to decreasing the productivity of countries going through industrial revolutions? I am sure there is something you can come up with...oh wait im not at all.
You gave two names, against hundreds of climatologists who support the theory of man-made global warming. Furthermore I PROVED that you were wrong about one of them: he supports global warming as well. The other guy is of no importance. There's always some asshat "expert" who disagrees with all the rest, and he is almost always wrong. Is this all you got? Pathetic. Like the theory of evolution, global warming will rise or fall on the evidence, not a popularity contest among scientists, most of whom are pretty objective but some of whom always have political or religious agendas that trumps their scientific training. This is why science depends not on one or two individuals but a consensus of the whole community. Finding one or even a few climatologists who deny global warming means nothing: the vast majority support it. Just like the vast majority of biologists support evolution; finding one or a few bible-thumping mediocre biologists to deny evolution means jack shit. The same applies to global warming. You still have no hard evidence, just some clown who doesn't like Al Gore. BFD.
THAN WHY IS IT NOT A FACT!? Thats the only effin reason why i don't agree with it. Any popular theory that comes up i look at it and try and figure out why it's not a fact. Even if it was a fact your still not addressing the solution to it!! Lets theoretically actually say it's a fact. Once the global economies rise back up there will be more Co2 emission in the next 10 years than there ever has in all of history. How in the hell are you and your global warming anti-violence buddies going to stop this global industrial revolution from happening? You seriously think China and India will buy and sell cap emissions? China still has 80% of it's population in poverty. Are you going to tell those people to stay in poverty???
Not that I am a specialist in this area, but it appears that GW is rapidly entering the realm of "if you believe it is true, you can prove it is happening." From what I read, it appears that clearly, most scientists agree that GW is taking place. But there's violent disagreement as to its causes. For example, the scientific community is asking: is it man-made or natural/cyclical? are power plants, cars, etc responsible or overpopulated cattle herds contribute about half of it? etc etc etc Sooo, what to do about it? CAN we do anything? and so on. What bothers me is that the question has entered into the multidimensional global political machination big time: I want power, give me some experimental results and a scary theory that proves that I should get that power. Which makes it almost impossible to discern the veracity of any report. For example, the article from the Royal Society that kut2k2 posted... who knows... looks reasonable, it may be true. Then of course, many others disagree: http://ideonexus.com/2008/01/17/global-cooling-disproves-global-warming-theory/ http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/warmingeditorial.html http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/Digest/1999Digest/October/Global Warming.htm Again, given that ALL politicians and their scientist puppets lie for a living, who knows.
Hey Kut and Omega I am still waiting for a logical reply to how you thinking guys will stop other countries from undergoing industrial revolutions.