Global warming LOL

Discussion in 'Politics' started by John_Wensink, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. jem

    jem

    fc you deceitful troll.

    There was nothing wrong with specers study.
    His study used data showing air temps have not been rising even though CO2 has been rising and the failed models predicted temps should have risen.

    You know damn well air temps have not risen no matter which set of data use choose.

    So stop lying.


    Regarding ocean temps.

    Your models were not predicting ocean temps or dealing with ocean temps.

    There is no science saying man made CO2 causes ocean temps to rise. Probably because oceans release co2 as their temps rise.

    Good luck trying to show oceans warm themselves by releasing CO2..

    fc you are a drone troll liar and and idiot.


    We have been telling you and your agw whores...
    that the sun and oceans influence the temps on earth far more than man made CO2.

    It was assholes like you here on et that argued that virtually all the warming was from man made co2.. and you put forth these shit models and called it science... then you called us names when we told you, your models were not scientifically sound.


    you are such a stupid drone... you can't even get the science or the arguments correct.





     
    #121     Aug 27, 2013
  2. jem

    jem

    The scale ranges from negative one to positive one. A correlation of positive one indicates that the two data sets move in concert with each other. A correlation of negative one indicates that as one set of data moves up, or down, the other moves in the opposite direction. Using the data from 1913 through the end of 2011, the correlation between the maximum marginal income tax bracket and total Federal receipts is a negative 0.50. In simple terms, when taxes are cut, Federal revenue has a very strong tendency to rise! And when taxes are raised, government revenue has a strong tendency to fall.


    The next time you find yourself engaged in this debate and someone tells you that you that taxes must be raised to pay down the debt, you can refer them to this article. In conclusion, as JFK, Reagan, and Goerge W. Bush understood, reducing taxes has a stimulative effect on economic activity which leads to an increase in government reciepts. You can’t argue with history!


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2012/10/15/do-tax-cuts-increase-government-revenue/










     
    #122     Aug 27, 2013
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    That's all well and good, but correlation is not causation.

    We just raised taxes and... revenues went up.
     
    #123     Aug 27, 2013
  4. jem

    jem

    so you are saying what the tax increases this year caused revenue to go up last year?

    you might want to try that with co2. you could say co2 causes temps to rise because like tax increases they are not constrained by fundamental laws such as time.



     
    #124     Aug 27, 2013
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    :D :D

    It's good I wasn't drinking a coke when I read that. I'd be wiping off my keyboard about now.
     
    #125     Aug 27, 2013
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    I'm simply repeating what the CBO reported re the falling deficit.

    Anyway, taxes weren't cut last year, so rising revenue was due to something else.
     
    #126     Aug 27, 2013
  7. jem

    jem

    note.... there was a payroll tax cut.




     
    #127     Aug 27, 2013
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Fair enough. And it's expired. Yet, revenues are rising.
     
    #128     Aug 27, 2013
  9. jem

    jem



    The presidents own advisor... found this....


    Romer and Romer find that despite the complexity of the legislative process, most significant tax changes have been motivated by one of four factors: counteracting other influences on the economy; paying for increases in government spending (or lowering taxes in conjunction with reductions in spending); addressing an inherited budget deficit; and promoting long-run growth. They observe that legislated tax changes taken to counteract other influences on the economy, or to pay for increases in government spending, are very likely to be correlated with other factors affecting the economy. As a result, these observations are likely to lead to biased estimates of the effect of tax changes.

    Tax changes that are made to promote long-run growth, or to reduce an inherited budget deficit, in contrast, are undertaken for reasons essentially unrelated to other factors influencing output. Thus, examining the behavior of output following these relatively exogenous tax changes is likely to provide more reliable estimates of the output effects of tax changes. The results of this more reliable test indicate that tax changes have very large effects: an exogenous tax increase of 1 percent of GDP lowers real GDP by roughly 2 to 3 percent.

    http://www.nber.org/digest/mar08/w13264.html
     
    #129     Aug 27, 2013
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    That's nice, but...

    We just raised taxes and revenue went... up.
     
    #130     Aug 27, 2013