Global warming hoax

Discussion in 'Politics' started by james_bond_3rd, Nov 10, 2007.

  1. Mans Right To Know - The Story of Wilhelm Reich<embed style="width:500px; height:407px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=4731618210941209731&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>
     
    #131     Nov 23, 2007
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    #132     Nov 23, 2007

  3. Reich was not the first to discover or investigate what he called orgone.

    Every culture and language has a different name for the same energy. Same stuff, different name, packaging, and promotion.

    Orgone, chi, qi, ki, life force, life energy, bio energy, od, prana, mana, psykhe, Spiritus, etc.

    The whole point of mentioning Reich:

    "I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena...."

    I think any scientist or any individual has the right to investigate anything without interference nor punishment from those that have an opposing view.

    To not allow or to discourage an opposing view is suspect.
     
    #133     Nov 23, 2007
  4. excellent post... agreed.
     
    #134     Nov 23, 2007
  5. man

    man

    it is really a strange situation. reich was an acclaimed
    psychoanalyst, moved somewhere else and got trouble
    everywhere he went. really unimaginable how he could
    keep going ...

    in contrast to chi or prana, reich investigated within the
    frame of western science. testing, validating, repeatable
    experiments. just think of his oranur experiments ...
    big effects that almost traumatised half of the people
    around him at that time; should be verifiable.

    and remember reich contacted einstein and got him quite
    interested in his work until einstein decided there is
    nothing in it. now, for me it is really difficult to charge
    the discoverer of relativity for mainstream stubbornness.
    and do not forget that around that time quantum physics
    took of, a subject that has since been at least as controversial
    as a possible new energy. in short, this mainstream
    turned him down thing has some debateable aspects.

    nevertheless, as i said, i find it hard to believe that
    someone can write that conscious and precise while
    being in fact mentally distorted.
     
    #135     Nov 24, 2007
  6. man

    man

    or think of the cloudbustering. according to reich this
    was almost sensational. and his books are available
    today, so everybody could go and replicate the thing.
    and literally almost everybody since there is no big tech
    hurdle in any of his pieces as far as i know.

    don't get me wrong. i am practising meditation and am
    aware of the shortfalls of modern science. and just look
    at shaolin monks if you want to see physical effects of
    working with "chi". but, nevertheless, reich entered the
    field from within western science and found what he
    found out of western science. so there should be tons
    of crazy physics students building crazy cloud busters
    during their holidays ... just because it is simple and
    possibly working ...
     
    #136     Nov 24, 2007
  7. man

    man

    ratboy,

    do you have any first hand experience with accumulators?
    i considered to get one, but never followed up. what would
    be interesting experiments with it? actually i think i
    would get two of them, one with reich's order of cotton
    and metal, the other vice versa. otherwise it is difficult
    to isolate the effect to orgone i'd guess.
     
    #137     Nov 24, 2007

  8. no.. not my area of expertise. there are many youtube and google videos though. although most aren't labeled as such. here are those that are: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=orgone&hl=en&sitesearch=


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    #138     Nov 24, 2007
  9. About 2-3 years ago I was tempted to make some orgonite, but my list of things to do is over 16 notebook pages. Someday.

    Some people are building orgone devices and using phosphorescent glow tape to observe the moving orgone produced from the orgonite in a darkened room.

    I don't think physicists would be interested in researching orgone even if they knew it had positive uses. Not unless there were significant profits to be had, since orgone is essentially free. Not unless it could be used as a weapon to kill masses of people.

    Researchers like Reich are easily labeled as kooks if they are not working on mainstream, acceptable ideas. It is a pop culture, you're not one of us world.

    One of the greatest scientists and inventors was
    Nikola Tesla. He was labeled a kook by his competitors and government. He had inventions, credit and theories stolen from him decades after he first discovered them. This lone man would have had more patents than Edison's huge team if he had not been penniless most of his life.

    Both of these guys were rather eccentric, but that seems to be the case with nearly all great minds as they are not operating at the level of us "normals''.
     
    #139     Nov 24, 2007
  10. People who push Reich's primitive ideas as "scientific truths" are kooks. Reich was one of many scientists who pondered the meaning of life. But when science was not ready then any answers suggested were at best speculative. Take a look at a more modern view of Reich's work here:
    http://www.ist-signal.org/conferences/SAB02workshop/wsgrow_paper_7.pdf

    It is possible that one day real science will arise out of Reich's work. But at this point it is not science.
     
    #140     Nov 24, 2007