Global Macro Trading Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. dhpar

    dhpar

    i am right. it is 140 LCC for each 100 AAMRQ.

    the deal is quite complicated. for instance now the AAMRQ should trade around 14.00 (LCC = 23.60)

    the delta is 140%. the reason is that the deal fixes/caps claims (constant c) and fix $LCC portion (28% of value) of the new AMR value. so it is like $LCC/0.28 - c - $LCC = $AAMRQ

    taking first derivative with respect to $LCC value you get 0.72/0.28=2.57. this you adjust by the ratio of share counts which is about 210/397 = 0.53. therefore 2.57*0.53=1.36=136%

    this was just a simple analytic. you should get the numbers precise and understand under what assumptions these calcs were done, e.g. here converts do not need to convert even when there are in the money ultimately...

    p.s. of course on the exchange date(s) you will not get 1.4/1. you will get the ratio decided on the effective date(s) and the share action during the following 120 days after that...
     
    #5091     Nov 13, 2013
  2. Daal

    Daal

    Shouldn't this be the opposite?
     
    #5092     Nov 13, 2013
  3. dhpar

    dhpar

    can't you read Daal? ;)

    AAMRQ is a leveraged play on LCC stock. it moves more that LCC so in order to have a delta hedged neutral (pair) position you need to buy less of it than you sell LCC... that is all that is to it.
     
    #5093     Nov 13, 2013
  4. m22au

    m22au

    I don't think what you've described is a simple analytic - you've used calculus which wasn't in the merger agreement in February.

    I tend to agree with Daal, if we are talking about number of shares (not dollar values), then the number of AAMRQ shares should be larger than the number of LCC shares sold.

    Yesterday AAMRQ closed at 12.00 and LCC closed at 23.52, with AAMRQ share price being 0.51 of LCC, or LCC share price being 1.96 of AAMRQ.
     
    #5094     Nov 13, 2013
  5. dhpar

    dhpar

    whatever.

    i posted after a year or so but that was enough to remind myself that this elite website is really a waste of time.
     
    #5095     Nov 13, 2013
  6. m22au

    m22au

    OK
     
    #5096     Nov 13, 2013
  7. m22au

    m22au

    Actually I think I wasn't right.

    I think the JPM analyst may have it wrong, and that AAMRQ is not a linear function of LCC.

    The Tom Sandlow article on Seeking Alpha describes it well in that the AAG preferred stock is like a series of LCC call options which expire 30/60/90/120 days after the merger closes.

    Therefore in terms of dollars, one would short a small amount of LCC common stock, and short a large amount of LCC call options (at a strike of $15 probably).

    The beta you describe in your above post is the delta of the LCC call options.
     
    #5097     Nov 13, 2013
  8. Daal

    Daal

    I don't plan to hold through the distribution period. The JPM formula and the beta might be better for me because the formula might create a self-fulfilling prophecy (for better or worse) and the beta is already based on trading data
     
    #5098     Nov 13, 2013
  9. Fine, but these numbers do not say anything about the maximum drawdown you had to endure to obtain these results.

    For example, making 20% a year is good, but if you had to go through a huge 85% drawdown to make that 20% now that's an entirely different story.
    (sorry if you already answered that question elsewhere, I cannot possibly go through almost 900 pages to find out)
     
    #5099     Nov 13, 2013
  10. Daal

    Daal

    I'm not sure these theoretical values will matter for those wanting to hold for a few weeks gunning for a quick 10-15% profit. Most trading AAMRQ will use the JPM formula even if it is wrong.
    By using a figure between JPM's and the beta I think I will be protected against a big tank in these stocks.
    My guess is that the "correct" ratio, the number that will avoid underhedging and overhedging is between the 2 figures.
    If you disagree, I would like to know why
     
    #5100     Nov 13, 2013