Global Macro Trading Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. No, Taleb's idea was to own deep OTM premium all the time (and short ATM premium against it to pay for the bleed), then market it as a long-tails hedge to investors. That is quite different to owning deep OTM premium in one direction when a bubble has entered a massively overvalued phase, as one trading strategy amongst several.

    Example: Taleb invests in US Treasuries and spends the income on OTM premium each year. Vol collapses from 2003 to 2007 and his returns suck compared to most hedge funds playing the credit bubble. Taleb becomes a philosopher.

    Meanwhile, fund X and trader Y follow their normal strategies and make 15-30% per annum (or whatever) from regular trading in 2003-2006, whilst bleeding 1% a year on their housing blowup bets. Once the housing market clearly turns down in 2007, the position pays off big. This assumes no timing ability at all for the housing bears. In reality, once housing turns down in 2006, they have plenty of time to add to positions to score even bigger in 2007-2008.
     
    #4721     Aug 31, 2012
  2. This, in my view, and based on my personal experience, completely incorrect.

    EDIT: Apologies for the above. I didn't read what you have written with sufficient attention, GoC. I actually don't disagree, as it's a more nuanced point you make. I will respond more meaningfully to this and your other post a bit later.
     
    #4722     Aug 31, 2012
  3. Yep I agree. I actually bet against JGBs and Euroyen in 2003-2004 and made good money (for a while), expecting a recovery and the re-emergence of inflation, but then it became apparent that there was still no inflation and the BoJ was going to sit at 0% for years more, the markets recovered strongly and I exited after giving back about half my profits.

    People shorted JGBs in the late 90s and early 2000s because they were 'expensive' i.e. low yields. But the fundamentals were deflation and a sucky economy i.e. the fundamentals indicated prices should be 'expensive'. Just like tech was expensive in 1995, 1996, 1997, but the fundamentals were great. Similar story in 2003-2004 with housing - expensive prices but great fundamental growth.

    The time to bet against a bubble is when the fundamentals deteriorate but the valuations are still pricing in amazing growth (or bet against a crash when fundamentals start recovering and values are still pricing in disaster).

    If you are wrong on the underlying thesis, you will lose. But I'm not sure how that is different from almost any other trade or investment.
     
    #4723     Aug 31, 2012
  4. luisHK

    luisHK


    Martin, you care to elaborate ?
     
    #4724     Aug 31, 2012
  5. Ok so support your argument - what parts are incorrect, and why?
     
    #4725     Aug 31, 2012
  6. #4726     Aug 31, 2012
  7. Pls see my edited post above. Apologies for editing.
     
    #4727     Aug 31, 2012
  8. Butterball

    Butterball

    How many $10m CDS contracts have you bought in your lifetime?

    I doubt utterly cheap CDS are a good example, representing the typical cost of speculating against the average financial asset bubble. The truth is that using mispriced CDS - thanks to idiotic counterparties at AIG or Japanese investment banks - to cheaply speculate on large directional moves is something that isn't reliably available when you spot the next bubble, especially not to the traders of the retail ilk.

    The most obvious way to speculate against a bubble is long-dated OTM options. And option prices typically increase, sometimes sharply, during exponential moves, e.g. CL put options during the 2008 blow-off rally or Nasdaq put options during the 1997-2000 period , which witnessed very high realized volatility.

    So yes, for the typical trader being early can be very costly and timing matters, especially when trading bubbles.

    And I agree with your timing suggestions (coincident fundamental deterioration or some sort of MA timing or both) but Bass wasn't mentioning any of that in his interviews. He said it's 'unsustainable' and 'it's a no brainer'. He didn't address timing at all.
     
    #4728     Aug 31, 2012
  9. Daal

    Daal

    Yes, I had a small long yesterday(returned well stock surged like hell). I still expect further gains today and MAYBE on tuesday. WHX bounced like a monster for 3 days on retail idiots buying, then resumed its decline. I will put the short once the idiot buying stops
     
    #4729     Aug 31, 2012
  10. Daal

    Daal

    WHX had the same story as BPT a few months back. Eventually it went back to its NPV even though it had all kinds of squeezes and panics. BPT might do that too

    BPT is decent trade on pre-market too, retail idiots hit all kinds of far away limit orders. I unloaded my position today at $93.00 even though the stock closed at $89.51. Maybe it will open at $93 but I bet its not likely at all

    I will try to buy back a small position for a possible further run today
     
    #4730     Aug 31, 2012