Global Macro Trading Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. Butterball

    Butterball

    #2951     Mar 1, 2012
  2. So gold 5k...:p
     
    #2952     Mar 1, 2012
  3. Going to see (and hopefully meet) Hendry, Druckenmiller, Chanos, Einhorn, Joe Rosenberg, and Paul Singer at Grant's conference next month. It's the middle-aged equivalent of seeing and hanging with The Stones, The Who, Hendrix, and Springsteen. :cool:
     
    #2953     Mar 1, 2012
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  5. Daal

    Daal

    BRK has $98K in investments(Mainly stocks) and generates about $8K a year in pre-tax income from the business portfolio(Non-stocks).
    The stock trades at $117K, so essentially you get Buffett stock and bond portfolio at market prices plus his business portfolio for a bit over 2times pre-tax earnings. Thats Iscar, Burlington, Gieco, Mid American etc. All at 2x pre-tax earnings

    Its a no brainer, essentially a great collection of companies selling at way less of what they are worth
     
    #2955     Mar 2, 2012
  6. Specterx

    Specterx

    Assuming this analysis is correct, what reasons can you imagine to explain why BRK is currently undervalued by the market?
     
    #2956     Mar 2, 2012
  7. Daal

    Daal

    Not sure. All major insurers had this type of decline. Saw an analyst the other day on CNBC saying that even though BRK book value was low, compared to the S&P500 it was still at the same level as many years ago(in terms of discount). So it seems a valuation compression due secular dynamics. But I'm willing to hear others on this
     
    #2957     Mar 2, 2012
  8. Daal

    Daal

    I wrote book value in the post above but I meant price to book
    http://www.vectorgrader.com/indicators/price-book

    US stocks as a whole have been declining in valuations. Both in PE and PBs. This matches up well with my theme that stocks are in a secular bear and commodities in a secular bull(I'm underweight commodities because I'm afraid of a cyclical drop)

    This creates opportunities but one has to be patient because part of the capital gains won't appear due further declines in valuation. In the case of BRK the buybacks and its track record created some kind of floor on the stock. Which is why I like and might buy more soon
     
    #2958     Mar 2, 2012
  9. Daal

    Daal

    Its interesting, even though US stocks have been declining in valuations they still aren't cheap by any means(Shiller PE, Hussman estimates, and discount model I posted a while back). If the secular theme keeps playing either the economy will have to grow a lot(Unlikely unless the Fed adopts NGDP targeting) or stocks will collapse. There is the 3rd possibility that stocks do nothing while the economy grows(Taking earnings and book values with it)

    Either way I'm cautious on stocks and I'm only buying in select opportunities
     
    #2959     Mar 2, 2012
  10. Butterball

    Butterball

    What about long BRK and shorting 98k/117k = 0.837 dollar volume worth of ES futures against it to hedge out the direct equity exposure. You get the non-equity holdings for next to nothing then.
     
    #2960     Mar 2, 2012