Global Macro Trading Journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Daal, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. Butterball

    Butterball

    Gone into hiding, just like all the smart men who were calling for an imminent Dollar collapse.
     
    #2881     Feb 26, 2012
  2. Specterx

    Specterx

    This is why one should be suspicious of crowded trades.
     
    #2882     Feb 26, 2012
  3. Buffett's annual letter this year is one of his best, and I've read most all of them.

    http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2011ltr.pdf

    "We should wish for IBM's stock to languish throughout the (next) 5 years."

    Incredibly powerful concept here that flies in the face of everything the human brain is programmed for. If you own a real, profitable company that pays dividends (which you reinvest) and/or buys back shares, you should wake up every day hoping the stock price goes down. It allows your divvies to buy more shares and allows the company to pick up more shares on the cheap.

    Now this obviously doesn't apply to every stock - many of which are dependent for survival on a rising share price to be able to raise capital and pay employees (NFLX is a fine example), but it certainly applies to the kind of firms Berkshire buys and companies like WMT, MSFT, BP, XOM, COP and half a dozen others I own. It's nice to see them rise in price along with the rest of the market since this summer (after all it proves my charm, intelligence, and overall good looks). The reality though, is my net worth in 10-15 years will be far higher if the stocks do absolutely nothing during that time. Powerful stuff.
     
    #2883     Feb 26, 2012
  4. Butterball

    Butterball

    Historically, half of equities' total returns came from dividends. Take your avg. blue chip dividend rate, multiply it by a factor of two and you have a pretty good estimate for your total return over the next 10-15 years, before inflation and taxes.
     
    #2884     Feb 27, 2012
  5. This fails to take into account price, which, uh, is somewhat important. Microsoft was a profit machine in 2000, but it sold at 50X earnings; it was a profit machine in 2011, but sold at 10X earnings. Returns from 2011 on are essentially mathematically guaranteed to be far greater from 2011-2022 than they were from 2000-2011.

    You're analysis doesn't factor in buybacks either. I would say a doubling of dividend rates for companies like MSFT, WMT, COP, JNJ sets a FLOOR on anual returns over the next decade. It's nearly a mathematical impossibility that these companies don't return compounded double digit rates over the next 10-15 years.
     
    #2885     Feb 27, 2012
  6. Daal

    Daal

    lol
     
    #2886     Feb 27, 2012
  7. Still a bitter little man. Chill out a bit, partner. I'm sure FF will sell off to 99.55 at some point this year and then you can contribute a useful trade (like sinking your net worth into the hope they'll bounce back to 99.65).
     
    #2887     Feb 27, 2012
  8. Butterball

    Butterball

    Real, inflation adjusted price returns on large cap US equities were just a tad over 1% over the last 100+ years. So you can pretty much forget about price as a real return driver unless we're about to embark on a historical multiple expansion a la 1950 or 1982. Which we're probably not (yet).
     
    #2889     Feb 27, 2012
  9. So you're saying buying MSFT at 50X earnings and buying MSFT at 10X earnings (just using Mister Softee as an example, mind you) has no bearing on what one's future return might be? :confused:
     
    #2890     Feb 27, 2012