Quote from dontmissthebus: You brought up the civil war, not me:both democracy and America (both Americas, I suppose) are responsible for the civil war. The primary catalysts for that terrible action came from Europe. And you're absolutely right ... there is little to compare to those great purges you mention. But things are not always as they seem. Stalin, for example, is given more credit than he deserves for the deaths of tens of millions ... the Cheka went on a rampage, with no objection from Stalin ... and ... there is question as to whether those running Cheka were truly communist.
Actually, some other guy did "So was American democraZY resposible for the death of 30% of ALL white southern white males in the 1860's?" I thought it was you... hence the confusion. "whether those running Cheka were truly communist" is a bit of a No True Scotsman don't you think? There's no true communist. There is no true liberal democrat. There are some systems that are open to abuse than others. Communism is one of them.
qupte from dontmissthebus: ... nor true conservative republican. But your point is well taken. I do believe, though, that the Cheka - who probably killed more of their own countrymen than anyone, ever - was more interested in revenge than the spreading of communist doctrine. Indeed, horrible things have happened within the borders of communist regimes. but not all - especially the worst numerically - were perpetrated by communists.
Black Book of Communism: 65 million in the People's Republic of China 20 million in the Soviet Union[3] 2 million in Cambodia 2 million in North Korea 1.7 million in Africa 1.5 million in Afghanistan 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe 1 million in Vietnam[4] 150,000 in Latin America 10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power." The book has had a lot of criticism, though. Mostly from wealthy Jews, which isn't wholly unexpected I guess.
That's a f..ng lie about tens of millions in gulag. Many people in russia began to realise it. It's simple question: i merely asked sometimes co-workers or friends : do you have relatives who were in gulag or killed by Cheka? You know what? 99% say NO. It's a f..ng liberal lie from eltsyn's time. And the most interesting thing... Guess who were the big bosses of Cheka? Jews
ote by perplexed: ... and 80% of the rank and file as well: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
Exactly, and some more historical fact to pepper on that link above: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-Chap16.html Of course, were just discussing historical facts here, you know. (I wonder how long it takes for America's loudest screaming special interest group to make a big scene about the last four posts of this thread.)
quote by drillmega: I'm reporting you to the SPCJ!!! As MadDonald points out: "The critical Jewish role in Communism has been sanitized, while Jewish victimization by the Nazis has achieved the status of a moral touchstone..." Many hold the belief that Hitler's atrocities against the Jews were a direct result of their participation in the Bolshevik Revolution ... he did not want to see them do to the German people what they did to the Russians, Ukranians, Hungaians, etc.