The following is a copy and paste of my post in a different "guns" thread a couple of weeks ago. Here are some “fun” statistics related to school age deaths (Annual average deaths). Some numbers interpolated. Deaths in school shootings, 28 Includes 27 deaths in 2018 and annualized with prior four years (2014-12, 2015-19, 2016-9, 2017-15) of school shooting deaths to create this annual average. Source: wikipedia.org I wonder how many school shooters were motivated by the extreme amount of overly emotional coverage as in copycat crimes? Deaths in schoolbus accidents, 99 This number is derived and estimated from official, broader statistics. Source: crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov Almost makes one want to lobby Congress to require seatbelts in schoolbuses. Deaths by falling TVs, 104 This number of deaths include children younger than school age. Source: cbsnews.com I would never hold the media as being indirectly responsible for these children’s deaths as in no media equals no TVs equals no children deaths by TV. Deaths by child abuse, 316 Ages 6 to 19 derived from official, broader statistics. Source: childwelfare.gov Possible news headline: Kids, you are 10 times safer in school than at home! Deaths by distracted driving, >1500 Ages 15 to 19 estimated and derived from official, broader statistics. Source: teensafe.com Wondered how many died while texting about gun control? Deaths by infectious diseases, 16,375 Ages 12 to 19 Source: cdc.gov The Liberals in California want to remove chlorine and fluoride from public water supplies. In addition, many are not allowing their children to get immunization shots. It was not that long ago bacteria and viruses where responsible for a much larger percentage of deaths than today. A lot of our added life expectancy is due to germ free water. Compare to third world countries life expectancies without clean water for their citizens. As these statistics show, the Left has gone beyond overboard with the hysterical reaction to school shootings as compared to other causes of school age deaths. This clearly shows the Left’s real agenda is to further restrict and abolish gun ownership rights. Where the Left has total political control of a city, they have enacted laws that effectively eliminated civillian gun ownership. What do you think is going to happen when they gain control of all three branches of our national government? The next question is why does the Left really want our guns? They obviously don’t really care about children death as measured by the much higher death rates in areas that get little relative attention. Indeed this misallocation of resources has diverted appropiate attention from the leading causes of children death. The Left’s real reason for eventual gun confiscation is they know we really will not like what they have planned for us. If they get our guns, we will not be able to do anything about it. The Left argues that guns are useless against a well armed militia. My answer is that one may want to ask the rebels in Afganistan how they did against Russia and the United States. Furthermore, many in our millitary will not buy into unlawful orders initiated by the Left. With many millions of citizens owning many millions of guns, we the people would be more effective at asserting our rights than the citizens of Afganistan were. Now that we have exposed the Left’s plans, what are we going to do about it? We must commit to each other that we will spread the word and implore other people to do the same. If we fail, the entity that controls the Left will take our guns along with our other rights soon thereafter. I prefer that we not just recycle the same simplistic arguments, but I now understand why Tony Stark has his "file cabinet" for his responses to old arguments.
30,000 people in the US die from guns each year We do not want your guns. Typical gun nut hyperbole. Just the assault rifles and hand guns, which are not needed to defend the home and are used in most of the murders. The govt is coming for you? This is Afghanistan? The Left wants to take all your rights away? You are the typical out of your fucking dumb-ass paranoid mind gun nut. The rational citizens of the US are starting to get sick of this type of stupidity.
Many of the law abiding citizens who own guns are law enforcement, ex-law enforcement, millitary, ex-millitary, and hunters. The people in this group are among the most responsible citizens in our society. Yes you will be able to find exceptions. However, this group of people have exceptional experience in handling firearms and we are better off as a society with them keeping their weapons, including the more powerful ones. Your attempts at casting these responsible gun owners as "nuts" doesn't ring true. Your earlier arguments about school shooting victims are left wanting compared to much larger causes of preventable deaths in children. You realized you need more gun deaths to give your anti.gun agenda some credibility. Thus you now cite all gun related deaths as an important statistic. The statistics you mentioned include criminal use of guns in crime such as drug dealers, organized crime, home invaders, kidnappers, gang members and some robbers. It is not fair to use statistics such as these in your attempt to show that law abiding citizens should not have guns. In summary, you have used emotional and statistically minor school shootings, ad hominem attacks, and inappropriately used broader statistics in an attempt to further your anti-gun argument. Although you have failed, you should take comfort there are many experienced, carrying law abiding citizens out there who may end saving your life someday from a criminal. Have you ever thought about the statistics concerning lives saved through gun ownership?
Is this Afghanistan? NO and hopefully it never becomes Afghanistan. The constitutional right to bear arms will aid the defense. Don't worry, you won't need to do anything, someone else will and you can share in the benefits.
Adam Lanza was unable to legally own firearms. He obtained them illegally. Since you have no solution on getting rid of illegally possessed firearms, you won't stop people who want to get them for crimes. If someone is willing to commit murder, they will not care about your silly gun ban. But they still CAN obtain these weapons if you ban them because criminals won't turn in their firearms. You ban solves nothing but to remove those who don't commit crimes from being able to defend themselves. That is, unless, you have some grand plan that gets criminals to turn in their firearms. I'm still waiting for your solution on that one.
They were bent on committing murder. They'd just have gotten their weapons through some other means - because there are millions on the street already illegally owned. Millions. In some rainbow world where unicorns roam and pixies sprinkle fairy dust on everyone, these guns are banned and impossible to obtain. Unfortunately that's just fantasy.
Who is we? Go live in a country that fucking suits your lifestyle if you hate the one that is here. The rest of us prefer what we have to your "utopia".
You can tell when someone is interested in a narrative and not a problem. If futurecurrents and all those like him/her/it were truly interested in the deaths of children, they would start with a discussion on inner city gun violence and all the harm it is doing to minorities. After all, this is where most children are harmed. These minorities, by the way, are the same ones the democrats say they are truly interested in helping. But you never hear a single whisper about inner city violence, because that takes us down the path of pointing out bad things that minorities do. Instead, they'll go after legal owners of firearms, touting the six sigma events where some mentally unbalanced kid - who law enforcement had in their sights but ignored - commits a heinous act. Even then, they'll never go after the kid who committed the act, asking why he did it. They'll ignore the police who were entrusted to protect, but did not, or the intelligence failures. It's the inanimate object, used in a crime, that is to blame. Like banning spoons will suddenly make people less fat. No, you own a gun and they don't want you to own one - end of story! So they'll make up all sorts of emotional arguments that ignore facts or statistics, because it doesn't suit the narrative.
It is telling why the Left does not talk about drug related theft, violence, and death among children and other members of our society. The people adversely affected by illicit drugs in some way must measure in the millions. The entity that gives the Left their talking points does not have America's best interests in mind. We have Russian trolls disseminating dissent and some short-sighted and shallow Liberals are allowing themselves to be useful idiots in the communist agenda to destroy America. A fundamental test that can be applied in questions to either immigrants coming into The United States or on blogs is to ask "What you you love about America?". There are appropiate follow-up questions to this, but I have found when you ask this question to Lefists, they will not answer it. How pathetic is that? In any other country, there is a near universal national pride and stronger border laws. This is proof positive the Democratic Party leadership has been taken over by an entity that is hostile to the interests of the people of The United States of America.