Give up my guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I'm not suggesting anything, seems like you have a problem with reading comprehension:
    The US is not the only country w/a constitution guaranteeing the right to bear arms. Much like ours, other countries have amended theirs to reflect the needs of the people. Hell, if people were actual constitutionalists, they'd defend the right to bear arms under a well regulated militia.
     
    #861     Sep 18, 2019
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You mentioned China and Singapore. Do those two countries have a constitution guaranteeing the right to bear arms?

    I stated that having laws doesn't prevent drug usage. You said it does in China and Singapore. I mentioned that they kill drug offenders, and that is why it is effective. If you don't agree that this is what makes them effective, say so. If you do, say so. If you are suggesting we should do something similar, say so.

    But right now, all you're doing is obfuscating because you know your argument is horseshit and you're doing your usual El Matador routine of dodging and deflecting to try to find a way out of it.
     
    #862     Sep 18, 2019
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  3. %%
    That looks like Beto O Rooke; but its hard to tell one RINO from the other. LOL He later charged/changed in to the DEM party-most likely feels @ home more there. And like US Senator Ted Cruz said sarcastically, ''i admire him ,like Bernie Sanders, somewhat honest on his socialism.'' LOL-LOL:caution::caution:,:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
    #863     Sep 18, 2019
  4. elderado

    elderado

    Look what we have here, kids! Do you think Beto gets the first road trip in the new clown car? Better watch out if he's the one driving!

     
    #864     Sep 18, 2019
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    You're attempting to misconstrue my statement. I never said China nor Singapore had guns on their constitutions.

    I don't need to inject my opinion for every fact out there that is merely correcting a misconception

     
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    #865     Sep 19, 2019
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    #866     Sep 19, 2019
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  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    It's hard to know exactly what you are saying because you won't have a normal conversation and attempt to obscure all your replies.

    Why don't you tell me what you are trying to say about China and Singapore, and why I should give a shit about those two countries in relation to a gun OR drug argument that would be applicable in the United States? No youtube videos are necessary, no one or two word sentences to make your replies as ambiguous as possible. Just speak your mind clearly and plainly that encourages a back and forth. If you can, that is.
     
    #867     Sep 20, 2019
  8. Dems very concerned about gang members due process rights, not so much for actual law-abiding citizens.

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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/democrats-frown-on-targeting-gang-databases-with-red-flag-laws?utm_source=Ammo.com+Newsletter+List&utm_campaign=58f3e7bd57-AC_Newsletter_6-17-19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_835c3fc179-58f3e7bd57-323056025


    House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.


    Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

    “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”

    Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans.

    GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people.



    Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.


    “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”

    Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.

    Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.

    “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.

    Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member.

    “This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler.

    Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California offered to support the amendment if Buck agreed to include those listed “individuals affiliated with white nationalism.”

    Buck agreed, but he said the language should include “any type of supremacy.”

    “Let’s add Cosa Nostra to this,” Buck added.

    The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.

    Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns.

    “It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said.

    “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."

    “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”
     
    #868     Sep 20, 2019
  9. %%
    TEXAS is a good place for them to start;
    even though so many of TX like the old school cannon /flag ad- that says ''come + take it'' LOL:D:D,:caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution: Its not a red flag; the '' come + take it'' flag has snow leopard colors LOL
     
    #869     Sep 20, 2019
  10. elderado

    elderado

    Beto is a furry.

    Beto's coming for your AR-15s.

     
    #870     Sep 22, 2019