Give up my guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. Seriously? 2001? Maybe you should google San Bernadino, Orlando, Boston Marathon, NYC (multiple attacks), Ft. Hood, etc.

    Our constitution has a provision for amendment. So I don't have to worry about booze or slaves. A "living" constitution however is a real worry because then it means whatever some idiot judge declares it means.

    I have no issue with muslims. In fact I prefer many of them to progressives. I just prefer they stay in their own countries. My view is supported by the unhappy experiences of European countries that foolishly opened their borders to muslim immigration. In fact my opposition to their immigration is based on respect, not hatred. I respect their commitment to their chosen religion. While that religion has many admirable aspects, it also demands conquest and repression of non-muslims. Why would any sane western country invite that?
     
    #361     Jul 21, 2018
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Ride by in the 'burbs


    George H.W. Bush’s former doctor fatally shot while biking near hospital

    HOUSTON -- A cardiologist who once treated former President George H.W. Bush was fatally shot by a fellow bicyclist Friday while riding through a Houston medical complex. Police were trying to determine if the shooting was random or a targeted act.

    It happened around 9 a.m. as Dr. Mark Hausknecht, 65, was going northbound through the Texas Medical Center, said Houston Police Executive Assistant Chief Troy Finner. "The suspect was on a bicycle as well. Rode past the doctor, turned and fired two shots. The doctor immediately went down."

    Hausknecht was hit at least once. He was taken to a nearby hospital where he died. He was traveling to work at Houston Methodist Hospital when he was shot, the hospital's CEO said in an email to staff.

    The hospital said Hausknecht was an important member of the Houston Methodist staff and the DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, CBS Houston affiliate KHOU-TV reports.

    The area where the shooting took place is part of a 1,345-acre complex of hospitals and medical institutions, including the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, and is busy with traffic and pedestrians during the day.

    Authorities late Friday continued searching for the suspect, who was wearing a gray warm up jacket, khaki shorts and a tan baseball cap.

    Hausknecht treated Bush in February 2000 for an irregular heartbeat after the ex-president complained about lightheadedness while visiting Florida. "Mark was a fantastic cardiologist and a good man," President Bush said in a statement. "I will always be grateful for his exceptional, compassionate care. His family is in our prayers."
     
    #362     Jul 22, 2018
  3. traderob

    traderob

    I work in the Gulf. Seriously Gulf Arabs are fun , well- travelled and agree with Trump on most of his policies. Most of them wouldn't want to live in the USA though, because they are already making 6 figures plus.
    Way easier to talk with any of them than with a progressive.
     
    #363     Jul 22, 2018
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  4. I know. The great irony is there is far more agreement between muslims and fundamentalist Christians than between Christians and progs.
     
    #364     Jul 22, 2018
  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt



    Toronto ‘Shocked’ by Shooting That Left 2 Dead and 13 Injured
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    Two people were killed and 13 others were hurt when a gunman opened fire in the Greektown neighborhood of Toronto. The gunman was later found dead.Published OnJuly 23, 2018CreditImage by Chris Helgren/Reuters

    By Catherine Porter, Matthew Haag and Matt Stevens

    July 23, 2018

    TORONTO — Two people were killed and 13 others were injured after a man with a handgun opened fire on a bustling avenue in Toronto on Sunday night, the police said. The suspect was later found dead.

    Officers confronted the suspect, who was identified only as a 29-year-old man from the Toronto area, on a nearby street and exchanged gunfire with him, the authorities said. The suspect ran from the police and was found dead with a gunshot wound on a street.

    John Tory, the mayor of Toronto, said at a City Council meeting on Monday that the shooting, part of a recent surge in gun violence in the city, was a “cowardly act” and “an attack on our city itself.”

    “I’ve said for some time that the city has a gun problem,” he said. “Guns are far too readily available to far too many people.”

    Those killed were an 18-year-old woman and a 10-year-old girl, Chief Mark Saunders of the Toronto Police Service said on Monday afternoon. Thirteen people, ages 10 to 59, were being treated in a hospital on Monday, the chief said, and their injuries ranged from minor to serious.

    “We don’t know why this has happened,” Chief Saunders said at a news conference.

    The authorities have made a public appeal for help in identifying a motive in the shooting, which started on Danforth Avenue, and the chief has said he would not rule out terrorism. The Special Investigations Unit, which reviews shootings involving the police, was also investigating.

    “When you have this many people that are struck by gunfire, it’s a grave concern,” Chief Saunders said. “I’m not closing any doors.”

    The police had requested a search warrant for the suspect’s residence, the authorities said.

    Hours after the shooting, Mayor Tory called for a review of Canadian gun laws, which are much more restrictive than those in the United States.

    “You’ve heard me ask the question as to why anyone would need to buy 10 or 20 guns, which they can lawfully do under the present laws,” he said. “And that leads to another question we need to discuss: Why does anyone in this city need to have a gun at all?”
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    There was an exchange of gunfire after the police arrived. A local bartender said his restaurant initially thought it was fireworks.CreditFrank Gunn/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Monday morning that his “thoughts are with everyone affected by the terrible tragedy on the Danforth last night in Toronto.”

    “The people of Toronto are strong, resilient and brave — and we’ll be there to support you through this difficult time,” Mr. Trudeau said on Twitter.

    The police were called to the corner of Danforth and Logan Avenues, in the city’s Greektown neighborhood, around 10 p.m. Sunday. Terry Browne, the lead investigator from the homicide squad on the case, said the attack unfolded very quickly, beginning in one location before moving down the road.

    As a result, the police were investigating multiple scenes. He said that bystanders provided medical assistance and that emergency services responded quickly. He called the attack “disturbing,” adding that there were “so many unknown answers to questions we have right now.”

    “All of us as members of this community are shocked that this occurred,” Mr. Browne said.

    He added: “We have control of the city. This is a tragic incident, but we will get through this.”

    Andreas Papadopoulos, a bartender at the Greek restaurant Mezes on Danforth Avenue, said the staff initially thought there were fireworks. But a co-worker who went outside to investigate was quickly caught in gunfire. Another co-worker who pulled the person back inside, Mr. Papadopoulos said, was shot in the hand and taken to a hospital.

    “There was a whole bunch of commotion,” he said in an interview. “There is lots of blood here.”

    Restaurants along the avenue were locked down after the mass shooting.

    “The world is definitely in flux, and I don’t care where you live, you’re not safe anywhere anymore,” said John Klianis, who was working at Pappas Grill when he heard gunfire.

    The strip of Toronto known locally as the Danforth is the heart of one of the city’s most coveted residential enclaves. Once packed with Greek immigrants, it has since become the go-to neighborhood for hipsters and young families, who spend more than $1 million on small homes to be in sight of downtown and near parks, shopping, and bars and restaurants with outdoor patios.

    The street throbs with over a million people during Taste of the Danforth, a weekend festival of food, music and dance held each August.

    In late March, the Trudeau administration proposed legislation to restore requirements for keeping records of some rifle and shotgun sales in Canada and to expand background checks for all gun owners.

    Under the proposed legislation, which is being reviewed by Parliament, stores would be required to keep on file records of every gun they sell and the gun license numbers of all buyers. While the records would be off-limits to the government, the police would be able to access them with a court order.

    While buying a gun can happen in some parts of the United States in less than an hour, those seeking a handgun in Canada must go through several steps. Potential buyers must pass an extensive background check, including a review of criminal and mental health records; provide two character references; and prove they practice at an approved shooting club or range, or that they collect guns. They must also pass a written and practical test and register the gun with the police before they can take it home.

    Canadian gun control advocates say these measures do not go far enough and fail to eliminate loopholes, including laws that allow those with a gun license to carry their guns at all times, regardless of their intentions.

    From 2013 to 2016, criminal episodes with guns in Canada increased 30 percent, while gun homicides increased by more than 60 percent, according to the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police. The number of shootings in Toronto specifically has doubled in recent years, according to data from the Toronto Police Service. The city had 177 shootings in 2014 and 395 in 2017, and is on pace to surpass that mark this year. However, gun violence remains much rarer in Canada than it is in the United States.

    In April, 10 people were killed in Toronto when the driver of a rental van struck dozens of pedestrians on a sidewalk. The man accused of driving the van had posted a message hostile to women online only moments before the rampage began, the police said.

    Last year, Canada was shaken by a shooting at a mosque in Quebec that left six dead and eight others wounded in what Mr. Trudeau quickly labeled a “terrorist attack on Muslims.”

    Asked what he was doing given the recent spate of gun violence in Toronto, a city known for its social harmony, Chief Saunders said he was determined to restore a sense of confidence.

    “I live in the city of Toronto and I, too, have concerns,” he said, adding that there was a “newness” to what the city was going through. “Other cities go through this more than we have,” he added.

    “There is no magic pill,” he said, noting that “we will do everything we can to restore that comfort that people should have in Toronto.”

    Catherine Porter reported from Toronto and Matthew Haag and Matt Stevens from New York. Dan Bilefsky contributed reporting from Montreal, and Jason M. Bailey and Sarah Mervosh from New York.











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    #365     Jul 23, 2018
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Liberal 9th Circuit backs right to carry firearms in public, in latest pro-2nd Amendment ruling
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ublic-in-latest-pro-2nd-amendment-ruling.html

    The liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals endorsed the right of individuals to carry firearms in public in a ruling Tuesday, striking down a lower court argument that the Constitution only protects that right at home.

    “Analyzing the text of the Second Amendment and reviewing the relevant history, including founding-era treatises and nineteenth century case law, the panel stated that it was unpersuaded by the county’s and the state’s argument that the Second Amendment only has force within the home,” the ruling states.

    The case resulted from Hawaii resident George Young being denied twice in 2011 as he sought to carry a handgun. Two of the three judges -- who were both appointed by Republican presidents -- ruled against a lower court upholding the restriction.

    Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain wrote in his opinion that “for better or for worse, the Second Amendment does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense.”

    (More at above url)
     
    #366     Jul 24, 2018
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  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Wait, but I thought banning guns stopped people killing with guns?

    Toronto has a gun problem? So you mean bans don't work? Whocouldanode??
     
    #367     Jul 25, 2018
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  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Weird. This sounds like a personal targeting.
     
    #368     Jul 25, 2018
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm aware of this. But referring to a 17 year old as a child is done more for narrative purposes. Want to focus on shootings with children involved? Categorize and group the data for under 12. Call all other events "teen shootings", which is what they are.
     
    #369     Jul 25, 2018
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Horseshit, dude. I live in an area that was Pro-Trump (when considering the other choice was Hillary), and one of the couples we hang out with regularly is a muslim couple. Granted, they aren't what I would call hardcore, but they make no excuses for being devout and we talk religion and other things regularly over wine (as I said, they are not devout). I still support banning travel from countries where terrorists are trained and could slip into the united states until they are properly and fully vetted (note the ban is until they are fully vetted).

    You complain on one side of your mouth that there is a sweeping generalization and prejudice against Muslims, and then from the other side of your mouth make a sweeping generalization about those who voted Trump.
     
    #370     Jul 25, 2018
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