Give up my guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    As I said, this depends on the STAGE of the cancer... Depending on this, the removal of the organ and even adjacent organs is indicated as the first therapy, with chemo and/or radiotherapy. I'm a physician, even though I don't practice that often, I know what I'm talking about. :)
    But again, I don't mean to invalidate your point or hijack the thread. The thread isn't about cancer, so I just wanted to say this, even before the communists try to use it to say your point is wrong because the analogy is wrong(which wouldn't be a surprise, given their usual way of argueing, searching for any stupid thing to hold on to and keep being illogic.:D)
     
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    #251     May 22, 2018
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Quit playing dumb, you and I know full well there's no significant amount of weapons coming in from outside the States.
     
    #252     May 22, 2018
  3. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    That may be true, but that is because weapons are widely allowed in the country. Try banning weapons like here in Brazil and you'll see this begins in huge scales almost overnight.
     
    #253     May 22, 2018
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Perhaps, but Brazil also has an abysmal record of impunity (even if the laws are as tough on gun trafficking).
     
    #254     May 22, 2018
  5. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    Impunity has nothing to do with this. If there is demand there will be offer. You seem to think impunity is not a problem in the US. Well then, drugs are against the law in the US and everyday there are tons of cocain and other drugs that enter the country. And everyone who wants these drugs has access to it.

    That's why the only way to break the drug traffic and end the monumental failure that the war on drugs is, is to legalize drugs. If you do it with guns, the demand will continue, especially on the criminal side, exactly like here in Brazil.
     
    #255     May 22, 2018
  6. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader



    This is valid for everything, every product and in every country....
     
    #256     May 22, 2018
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Lots of weapons were coming in from Mexico at one point. Who is to say whether that is the case now or not?

    Second, what does this have to do with the killings in Chicago, which you originally quoted/responded to?

    Third, what is the difference between the black market and the market you call a "minuscule contraband market"? You never answered.
     
    #257     May 22, 2018
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  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Impunity has nothing to do with it huh? I guess that's why Mexico is a model for law and order.

    You're also equating recreational drug users to hardened criminals willing to commit armed robbery,murder,etc...
     
    #258     May 22, 2018
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Point to this time when weapons were coming in from Mexico en masse (legitimate source please, not just some random machine gun that found it's way in from Nicaragua.).

    The point on I'm making on Chicago killings is that these guns were obtained domestically, something which can be prevented with tighter domestic gun control, wheter I support it or not.

    The difference in black market weapons vs contraband weapons is none in theory, but the makeup of today's gray/black market weapons is predominantly domestic.
     
    #259     May 22, 2018
  10. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    It doesn't and Mexico is indeed a socialist shithole, just like Brazil, where drugs are against the law too, by the way.
    But what are one of the main sources of violence in Mexico(if no THE MAIN, BY FAR)? Drug traffic.

    Why is that? Why is the biggest drug cartel located in Mexico? Do you think that that has nothing to do with the fact that one of the world's largest consumer of drugs(where drugs are against the law) is right across the border? Even at the time of Escobar in Colombia, the biggest consumer was always the U.S.

    In that sense, the war on drugs from the U.S. government is the biggest factor that makes these cartels so powerful and so rich.

    If these drugs were allowed, like alcohol and tobacco, the cartels wouldn't exist. We all know who Al Capone is simply because of the alcohol prohibition in the 20's.

    No. I'm saying (again) that where there is demand, there will be offer. The demand for drugs is from drug users.

    The demand for weapons, where they are not allowed by law, is mainly from criminals, because they use this for their activities(they must have them to steal, kill, fight with each other...).
    These criminals won't give a damn about the law, just as they don't when they kill and steal. Because this is what they do for a living. If they don't have weapons, they are dead. But people who follow the law will probably think it is not worth breaking the law everyday by carrying guns like they do today, because every single minute they are carrying, they could be sent to jail for it.
     
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    #260     May 22, 2018