give me odds on Cramer being yanked off CNBC by the end of the year..

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by TheDudeofLife, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. EPrado

    EPrado

    Hey....the guy found a way to make millions, my hat goes off to him. But as a trader??????? puleeeeeeeeeeze.

    Phone rings

    "Jim.....Mrk SGP and Pfe are all going to be downgraded tommorrow by Goldman"

    Cramer: "thanks....thats why I pay you good money....glad I have connections like you"

    Cramer shorts a boatload of Pfe Mrk SGP

    mkt closes

    Next morning- Mrk SGP PFE all gap down......Cramer covers into pukeage...



    Any...and I mean anybody out there can make big money by getting those calls.......like going to the racetrack with a list of horses that are going to win today....you have the answers....


    Man...if I got a phone call everyday at 3:30 pm telling me where SP futures were gonna open the next day I would have 50 mil or so in the bank.....Beers would be on me everyday at 4:15....

    I worked a rather huge trader yrs ago who went to see Mr. Cramer at his office...he went there to pick his brains on trading...well...he came back and told us all Cramer wanted to do was talk about his new website at the time (street.com) and asked him to see if any of us wanted a free trial to his site...didnt talk trading at all......thats all this guy is...a used car salesman....
     
    #21     Jun 23, 2006
  2. There are some crack dealers. pimps, sex trade operators, confidence men, embezzlers , and second story men who are also millionaires.

    Guess you admire them too.
     
    #22     Jun 23, 2006
  3. I am now convinced he left the game because the heat got too much for him.

    That is, the inside info stopped coming, and he was useless without it.
     
    #23     Jun 23, 2006
  4. He is the only entertainment from cnbc. should keep him there
     
    #24     Jun 23, 2006
  5. EPrado

    EPrado


    Bullseye

    Direct Hit

    Couldnt have said it any better
     
    #25     Jun 23, 2006
  6. Tauvros

    Tauvros

    I guess everyone forgot about this or there's a brand new batch of traders/investors who have just recently entered the scene.....

    http://www.forbes.com/2002/03/01/0301cramer.html

    BTW the book Trading With the Enemy by Nicholas Maier was released in '02


    In a soon to be released tell-all tale, former Cramer & Company employee Nicholas Maier accuses TheStreet.com's co-founder of using CNBC anchors and his own television appearances to promote stocks that he would promptly sell, making a quick gain on the upswing.

    In Trading With the Enemy, to be published this month by Harper Business, Maier alleges that CNBC anchors Maria Bartiromo and David Faber were used like pawns to talk up stocks that Cramer's hedge fund had purchased. He did this by giving them heads-up on analysts' upgrades and downgrades in particular stocks.

    Writes Maier: "We were the first firm most brokerage houses told such news [of upgrades and downgrades], and Jim decided to use this early-call status to help the reporters, who all wanted to break a story."

    Maier goes on to explain that after the stocks were touted on television, Cramer would promptly dump the firm's position: "No sooner would Maria be thanking us for the help than we'd be getting a payback--a quick hit thanks to our friends at CNBC."

    In one case, recalls Maier, Faber called Cramer and immediately Cramer demanded that the firm buy a hundred thousand shares of MCI Group (nasdaq: MCIT - news - people ). "There will be news!" said Cramer's colleague to the broker at Goldman Sachs, who also purchased shares. No more than an hour later, Faber went on the air with news that telecommunications giant MCI was rumored to be an acquisition target. Maier admits he does not know what Faber actually told Cramer during their conversation and writes, "Reporters often called us, asking if we could confirm a rumor in the marketplace."

    Cramer's own television appearances also were used to intentionally sway the markets in his favor, Maier writes. For example, while Cramer was on CNBC promoting "a great investment for the long term," Maier writes that Cramer's firm was making quick gains: "Our real strategy, however, was all about taking profits now. Back at the office, we were supposed to dump stocks after a quick half-point gain. On TV, Jim would tout a stock we owned, but if it moved up, we would sell."

    "Jim would do the opposite of what he was saying on television," Maier told Forbes. Cramer did this behind the scenes too, says Maier. "He would hear rumors, pass them on and then do the opposite," adds the author, who insists that he has the trading documents to back up his claims. Maier worked under Cramer between 1994 and 1998.

    Why put himself on the line? Not for a hefty book advance: "Mine is trivial compared with Jim's $1.5 million," says Maier. "My goal is to show people how Wall Street really works. It left a very bad taste in my mouth."

    Cramer used investment banks to get quick gains too, according to passages in the book. Maier details playing pool with one analyst from Salomon Smith Barney who, while polishing off a third beer, hints that his firm was going to make a rating change on a specific company. Sure enough, by the time the stock had been upgraded to a "strong buy," Cramer & Company had purchased 50,000 shares--all executed with Salomon at the urging of the analyst, who said Salomon landed a cut on the trade.

    Both sides had incentives to "leak" information. Cramer & Company made a quick profit, and the investment banks landed commissions on the trade.

    This way, both sides had incentives. This kind of activity was widespread, says Maier: "Analysts at every one of the major brokerage houses were doing this."

    Maier describes arrangements Cramer & Company made with the investment-bank underwriters of "hot" IPOs during the late 1990s: "Nearly all of the major investment banks made us commit to after-market orders, and they kept score .... This was their way of making sure hot deals stayed hot."

    By buying ten times more shares than their allocation on the offering, Cramer & Company were helping to drive the price of deals even higher in the stock market. Maier writes that time after time, "I would give the brokerage house 50,000 shares to buy on top of the five [thousand] they gave us."

    "It was the brokerage houses that created a facade of legitimacy to manipulate the situation, and ultimately it was the little guy at home, not fully comprehending the process, who bought these stocks at an assuredly inflated value," Maier writes.

    Cramer is not new to accusations of recommending stocks in his own portfolio. In 1995, he was investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission for touting stocks that his firm held positions in. The matter ended with no action.

    Cramer was unavailable for comment. Maier claims that Cramer twice attempted to legally thwart the book from going to press. The SEC also declined to comment on the book's allegations.
     
    #26     Jun 23, 2006
  7. Hmmm, Cramer futures, what a concept.

    What exchange would they trade on? Same one as pork bellies and horse manure?
     
    #27     Jun 23, 2006
  8. It seems alot of you really dislike this man.

    I want to ask you..do you dislike him because:

    1. He is a "Bad" trader / investor

    2. Your "jealous"

    3. You dont like his personal characteristics

    Good people make bad choices sometimes, thats not a reason to hate someone. Dislike his stock picks?..ok. Dislike his career performance?..ok. But he is probably a great father/ husband, which in my opinion is more important.

    - nathan

    side note: I watch his show but I dont follow his picks
     
    #28     Jun 23, 2006
  9. What makes you think that? How could you ever possibly know from watching someone on t.v.?
     
    #29     Jun 23, 2006
  10. I've never tracked his picks, but I read some magazine article that did and his results weren't that great.

    Personally I can't stand to listen to his yelling. I've tried the mute button but he still somehow manges to get through.
     
    #30     Jun 23, 2006