Giuliani wants pre-emptive pardon from Trump before he leaves office

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Dec 1, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Rudy Giuliani recently discussed with President Trump the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office.

    Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:24 AM EST
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/1...o-have-discussed-a-possible-pardon-with-trump

    It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon, according to two people told of the discussion. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said.

    Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump.

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    Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion.

    It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon for Mr. Giuliani, according to the people. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said.

    Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump.

    Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.”

    Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello, said, “He’s not concerned about this investigation, because he didn’t do anything wrong and that’s been our position from Day 1.”

    A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump did not respond to an email seeking comment.

    Such a broad pardon pre-empting any charge or conviction is highly unusual but does have precedent. George Washington pardoned plotters of the Whiskey Rebellion, shielding them from treason prosecutions. In the most famous example, Gerald R. Ford pardoned Richard M. Nixon for all of his actions as president. Jimmy Carter pardoned thousands of American men who illegally avoided the draft for the Vietnam War.

    Mr. Trump has wielded his clemency powers liberally in cases that resonate with him personally or for people who have a direct line to him through friends or family, while thousands of other cases await his review.

    Last week he pardoned his former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn broadly for potential legal troubles beyond the charge he had faced of lying to federal investigators. The move raised expectations that Mr. Trump will bestow clemency on other associates in his final weeks in office.
     
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  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I think you have to name the crime you are pardoning for. You can't just give a pardon for "criminal activities".
     
  3. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Innocent people always look for pre-emptive pardons.
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    From the article...

    "Such a broad pardon pre-empting any charge or conviction is highly unusual but does have precedent. George Washington pardoned plotters of the Whiskey Rebellion, shielding them from treason prosecutions. In the most famous example, Gerald R. Ford pardoned Richard M. Nixon for all of his actions as president. Jimmy Carter pardoned thousands of American men who illegally avoided the draft for the Vietnam War."
     
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I read the article. But in each of the stated examples, specific crimes were outlined in the pardon. Ford pardoned Nixon for specific crimes while he was President. Carter pardoned thousands for a specific crime (avoiding the draft).

    Trump would need to name the crime or crimes Rudy is being pardoned for. I don't think he can just say "for any crimes whatsoever". I mean, he can, but I don't know what happens then.
     
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I agree.
     
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    Giuliani should have been crushed under the Twin Tower rubble when they fell. Asshole he do be.
     
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  8. Blanket pardon for crimes he may have or might yet commit? Who the fuck he think he is, a Clinton?
     
  9. Nobody gets a blank get out of jail free card.... except maybe Frank Nitti
     
  10. That would be what you might conclude based on fairness and logic.

    However, I think that is not necessarily true and it can be fairly loosey-goosey.

    Nixon, for example, was pardoned for any federal crimes he committed or may have committed during a specified time frame that covered years, probably his entire time in the white house, if I looked it up.

    So that was pretty vague and quite a comprehensive wild card.
     
    #10     Dec 1, 2020