Ghost of If You Can Draw A Straight Line

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  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Replay it and watch the right tick.
     
    #841     Apr 16, 2014
  2. might be a silly question. Should I watch in the same interval as the chart that was provided? Watch the whole day again or just the areas surrounding the highlighted bars?
     
    #842     Apr 16, 2014
  3. Gringo

    Gringo

    I don't think price is moving up 10 points from the entry. It's once the gain is in place it is happening. For someone looking at the 1 min and only using lines, this might get troublesome as the SL is bound to break and price continues up. For a person looking at the gradual decline of value areas this might not be as difficult.

    We know a few things:

    1. Price turned before even getting to the mean - sign of weakness.
    2. The other end of the extreme diagonally is somewhere around the 20's or 30's - lots of distance to cover before price gets oversold.
    3. Price is heading lower because of value areas stacked one after the other stepping down - down trend.

    Whether one can withstand this in 1 min I don't know but yes, someone without issues and not worried about keeping gains might be able to pull this off.
     
    #843     Apr 16, 2014
  4. gears

    gears

    Is this along the lines of what you're suggesting?
     
    #844     Apr 16, 2014
  5. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    The market moves in ticks. It doesn't care how you illustrate its moves. So use whatever you like. The pushes and pulls and rejections and continuations are there whether you see them or not.
     
    #845     Apr 16, 2014
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You're in the ballpark. Accepting the fact that the morning pretty much sucked, you can't know in advance what kind of morning you're going to have. Which makes understanding this interplay all the more important.

    Where might you have tried your first short?
     
    #846     Apr 16, 2014
  7. gears

    gears

    I'll tell you where I did try my first short. I wanted to stay out of the overnight range. I didn't know if it would be a roller coaster up and down between those 15 points. So I waited for it to be cleared. I "should" have noted the lack of a HH at 0948 and used that as an entry spot, but I didn't. I waited too long.

    I went short on the RET just before the HL around 0955. It was followed by a HL and took off up. I scratched. For the morning, it was the worst place to try to enter a short.
     
    #847     Apr 16, 2014
  8. gears

    gears

    In the world of CWS, I would like to think that I would have seen the rejection of 3513, the movement of price below the last swing low (for the up move), the LH at 0932/33 and the RET there. But that timeframe is also right after the open when things are more chaotic than usual.

    A more realistic entry for my knowledge level should have been after price couldn't get above the LSH around 0944.
     
    #848     Apr 16, 2014
  9. trip

    trip

    My first entry today was 09:34 at 3508. As I trade using Spandex it was good for a few points.

    You've really given us something to ponder today. I think I should do away with the Spandex and get naked soon. Moving from observing to pressing buttons has shifted my perception to the worse.

    Edit: Correct entry price was 3507.75. Not that it matters but for my logs should I reread my own post :) .
     
    #849     Apr 16, 2014
  10. Sorry - this is going to get ugly - I'm going to pretend I was part of the conversation and reply as they come.

    The first bar moves opens on it's high and closes on it's low. It is also pushing through the swing L to it's left. The next three bars make downward progress.

    The second red bar is the first "uh -oh" bar. It opens on it's high and makes good progress before nearly reversing all the way. The next red bar is the "ahhh" bar. Buyers had only fleeting control and sellers are willing to step up. It opens, rallies above the previous bar before closing lower. Buyers couldn't attract a following.

    The forth bar is similar to the 1st - pushing through the previous low with weak close. One bar hesitates and the next bar (red) makes good progress and closes near it's low.

    The next red bar (6) is an attempt to rally. Price opens, moves a little lower but doesn't exceed the low of the previous par and then challenges the temporary swing high. It exceeds this high by a bit but can't close above it and falls away. Looking left sellers stepped up here once and it's a bearish indication that they step here again.

    Bar 7 & 8 is the next level below the swing low where there is some indication of buying. The first bar wouldn't mean much until the second bar is also rejected at the same level. The next red bar (9) is a small poke that tests the last seing low. Making a little bar sandwich of the two bars on either side of the red one shows a drive up and a complete recovery - sellers are rejecting 3429 ish.

    The last two bars form another rejection couplet. 3410 has buying coming in. This rallies but price does not turn back at the last swing high.
     
    #850     Apr 16, 2014
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